NICE JOB!!!! Jet Blue 292 Crew.

Yup, great job! Chip

Rufus wrote:

Happy endings, I love happy endings. I was surprised they didn't emergency evac the plane and keep everyone (inc. emergency personnel) away from the plane. No guarantees that malfunctioning nose strut is not going to malfunction one more time and collapse. Even though it recoiled back to length when the plane came to full rest indicating functional hydraulics, I still wouldn't be caught strutting (heh, heh) around underneath the fuselage playing the role. Send in the mechanics first.

Stark contrast to the gear up landing that a COD flight made in Norfolk a few months back. I think the first two people out of the C-2 were the pilot and co-pilot... their passengers were not far behind.

That must be the difference in mindsets between flying aboard old patched up junk and state of the art. Maybe that or the 'ignorance is bliss' clause.

WmB

Rufus wrote in news:YJnYe.395107$xm3.315535@attbi_s21:

I think I see a diorama in this.

TF

Yeah! 140 odd passengers rushing for the rest room to change their underwear!! :-)

Bill Shuey

And we all know just the 'diolamist' to do it with a built-in smell factor.

Bill Banaszak, MFE

I just read something about this over on the HH board and finally saw it on the 11 o'clock news. It looked like a job well done by the flight crew.

Bill Banaszak, MFE

If you think about it, why evacuate? The nose strut was down and locked, and there was no fire. The worst that could happen would be that the strut collapses and if everyone is strapped in no one should get hurt. OTOH, if everyone is up and evacuating when it collapses, someone is bound to get hurt. Plus you don't want pax wandering around outside the jet with ARFF vehicles responding. It would suck to evacuate the airplane just to have someone hit by a responding news van. Experience shows that a passenger(s) will be injured simply going out the door and down the slide, so before ordering an emergency evac most crews will balance that against the risk of staying on the jet.

Curt

Not until a mechanic tells me it's down and locked. Maybe that's the way it went down. Maybe the first guys up on the plane inspected the strut and signed off to the rescue personnel and flight crew that a normal exit from the plane was in order. Just making the point that for the same reason the authorities don't allow people to lolly gag around inside structurally damaged buildings that outwardly seem fine, I wouldn't think it's generally a good idea to refrain from walking around or underneath damaged aircraft until a structural specialist signs off on it. Which of course in and by itself is no guarantee the strut is in fact sound.

Worst case scenario, playing devil's advocate here: They're all sauntering thru the exits as they disembark normally down the stairs 10 minutes after the plane comes to rest - when the strut collapses. Some people underneath are crushed, the stair truck gets crushed, fuel spills, people on the stairs and in the doorway get hurt, etc. Suddenly you've got a rapidly expanding problem that could have been avoided by following the emergency evacuation plan you've long since developed and implemented for just such an occasion.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those guys that are dissatisfied with success. I'm glad it went down the way it did and there was no need for a panic response. I'm just leary of what would have happened in the aftermath of a worst case scenario coming to fruition at the hands of the talking heads, pundits and politicians. A year from now they'd still be breast beating and finger pointing on the anniversary of what they would quickly label as a tragedy and national disgrace. What we used to call "accidents" and "acts of God" back in the day.

Pardon the unrelated rant of the last paragraph. The Katrina aftermath coverage wore thin on me a week after the storm passed and there's no sign of relief anytime soon. Kudos to the professionals that brought 292 in and saw everyone got off safely.

WmB

Yes the Pilot made a great landing and the crew did a fantastic job of keeping all the passengers calm as well as informed. They are saying on the News here in New York that the same plane had a problem with the landing gear sometime last week or so. I may not have caught they were saying , but it was about the wheels.

Again a Really Great Job of bringing in the Bird guys. I want him sitting in the chair when I have to fly.. :) :)

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I finally saw this last night. Great job? No, it was luck. Since it was the nose gear simply turned 90 degrees, the whole landing was normal. The luck part came in from the nose gear not collapsing. Leave it to the media to make a big deal out of nothing. Now, had the nose gear been stuck retracted, that would be some work, but this, just luck.

"Yes the Pilot made a great landing and the crew did a fantastic job of

keeping all the passengers calm as well as informed. "

They were watching it on the TV's in their seatbacks--kind of like the in-flight movie in "Airplane!"

Actually, if the nose gear had been stuck retracted I believe the result would have been no different, except for an amount of damage to the aircraft.

The crew did an excellent job of holding the aircraft on centerline with little or no (read reduced) directional control. Period.

This is true. The damage could have been even less. I watched a United

747 land like this once at LAX (only the two inboard main gear were down). The airplane slowed so much that when the nose dropped, the plane stopped immediately on the edge of the gear doors. (Ever see a 747 do a touch & go?)

The pilot apologized after he landed to Air Traffic for being six inches off of centerline.

BTW, the runway was opened by 9:00pm that night. The airplane was in a hangar & the nose gear straightened out & the right nose wheel was already attached.

I've seen a 747 do a max performance climb out of MCAS Yuma...carrying troops under contract. Holy cow...

That's that I would have figured. I'll bet the jet would have even been back in service by that evening if it weren't for NTSB red tape.

Rufus wrote in news:sA_Ye.359959$x96.92397@attbi_s72:

I was in a virtually empty 747 deadheading from Santo Domingo to JFK. The planes flight crew, a second crew being transported and my Dad and I (he was a Pan Am employee). We were up front on the main deck first class. We had dinner trays when the 747 took off. Needless to say we had to hold them. The floor was steep enough that you could not have walked on it, easily past 45 degrees. It was amazing, I would never have thought that it could have performed like that. They always seem so sedate, but I reckon that's to keep the paying customers comforable.

Frank

I think maybe the emphasis here is on the pilot keeping the passengers calm

*despite* the best efforts of the TV to panic them.

Everyone responds differently in a crisis. Had the pilot not remained calm and kept his wits about him. If he didn't manage to keep the passengers as calm as he did. Had he not shifted the weight by sending the passengers and baggage to the back of the plane the way he did this could all have ended in a Huge Fire Ball instead of just grinding down the nose gear. So yes the pilot does deserve a lot of the credit.

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"Rik Shepherd" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news.bnb-lp.com:

I understand that they turned off the seat back TVs before the landing. I don't wonder, if the passengers had seen the fireball under the front of the plane they may have evacuated while it was still moving.

Mad-Modeller wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@nextline.com:

Either way. When I saw it flare up at first I thought My God! it's gonna burn. But as it became apparent that all was well I thought about what would have been going through people's minds had they seen it while stuck inside. Yikes!!