New York Metro UG meeting

First calling to Solidworks users in the New York Metro area. Mark December 10th on your calendars. This will be an introduction of Solidworks 2004 for anyone who might be interested in learning more about the overall program.

Since this is our first meeting, we will begin with charter stuff, recruitment and asking for volunteers, etc. to keep this going as a regular event. Other topics that are up for discussion are:

What's New in 2004 Surfacing for the Industrial Designer Rendering and Animation - Insider Tips and Tricks SolidWorks 2004 Tips and Tricks Time

You can arrive as early as 5:30pm food will be served at 6:00pm Meeting will begin at 7:00pm Location 55 west 13th street between 5th and 6th The meeting will be held at Parsons New School of Design 9th floor All are welcomed to attend. If you have any questions or comments please feel free to contact me. Please RSVP to Arthur Young-Spivey at (212) 625-1940 or snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com

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"What's New in 2004 Surfacing for the Industrial Designer Rendering and Animation - Insider Tips and Tricks SolidWorks 2004 Tips and Tricks Time"

Please note late additions to the meeting :

What Product To Use When SolidWorks 2004 Leaves You Holding The Bag And Robust Surfacing Is Needed: Discussion will include, The "C2 Problem".

SolidWorks 2004 Splines: Discussion will include analysis of whether it will be D-Cubed or ACIS that provides the solutions to help fix the mess.

Introduction of a think3 representative to demonstrate Global Shape Modeling, a tool that makes life for Industrial Designers a lot more fun.

VX presentation: VX Designer will be shown imported non- native surface geometry and actually editing it !!!

Round table hosted by Arthur on which products are needed to be used with SolidWorks to actually get the job done. Arthur will be demonstrating Rhino.

At the conclusion of the meeting there will be an open bar. Heavy drinking is expected. Please make sure you have signed up ahead of time for a designated driver.

jon

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jon banquer

You've NEVER USED either think3 or VX on a daily basis in a work situation, but you're the expert.

What CAD/CAM program do you use at work? What's that you say...DOS BOBCAD?

That must really suck...

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Ron Smith

Seriously Jon, stay the fuck out of my threads if you are going to post shit. I am tired of you not making positive contributions. You are really pissing me the hell off with your dumb shit.

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Arthur

arthur,

if you're using outlook express, message, block sender or tools, message rules, blocked senders list

other news readers have similar or better features works wonders, out of sight ... out of mind, yippee

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kenneth b

He only uses that for simple 2D trig .... can't do it otherwise. He thinks it's pretty slick.

Failed to graduate HS, tried a term of shop class at a trade school, left (in disgrace, I think) before they got to basic shop math ....

Ask him about percentages. He just might be able to do those with a calculator if the manual has pictures.

BTW, This post is based on his own postings. I doubt he lied in this case.

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Cliff Huprich

So does a whoopee cushion ... which might at least ease the pain where they got you ....

Hey, clueless ... how are they going to sell stuff with a ban on telemarketing? LOL ...

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Cliff Huprich

Jon, if you hate SW so much why even be a poster in a SW discussions board also most people do not want to rent software (think 3). I am sure people would not like the timing out feature especially if think 3 would go out of business. Think 3 has had to get finanacial backing from investment group 3 times because sales lag behind. Also Jon VX is not as good as you present it to be.

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Rocko

He's not actually used it.

Or that either.

Or that. Ask him about 2D DOS BobCad and legal copies and simple trig problems .

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Cliff Huprich

Cliff, when are you going to get a clue?

J
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janicke

Jason, When are you at think3 going to put a lid on jb? Or hire him? Or is he already paid to post this endless SPAM for somenthing he does not use? Is that the clue?

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Cliff Huprich

From what I have seen he never will and in regards to think3 I fully intend to keep pointing out how full of shit he is with his continuous stream of lies.

jon

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jon banquer

He's been told many, many times before that BobCAD is a 3D program yet he continues to lie about it like he does with so many other things. Here is an very recent example of someone else correcting his continuous stream of misinformation / lies.

"From: hamei ( snipped-for-privacy@pacbell.net) Subject: Re: Rhino Finally Gets Some Serious Competition

View this article only Newsgroups: alt.machines.cnc Date: 2003-11-17 15:58:30 PST

DOS BobCAD is 3D. A nice little program, actually."

The reason I use the DOS version of BobCAD on the shop floor is that I don't need to use a mouse and it's very, very fast for what I need to do with it... figure out toolpath for manual MDI entry at the CNC machine. Often times, the canned CNC machine cycles are inefficient and so is what the CAM program outputs. It's impossible to deal with all the real world situations that occur for machining a part sitting on your ass behind a computer. Things like different fixturing needing to be used, more clamps, clamps in a different places than when the CAD/CAM program was written, etc.

I often need to quickly modify a program that is cutting air. There are plenty of other reasons as well. Many proficient machinists understand this logic. Those who have been forcibly retired from large companies (where they could only make it for a year anyway) have no understanding of how to properly machine a part or how to cut cycle time with an efficient CNC program that has no wasted moves.... because this often can not be done sitting on your ass behind a computer. In a small job shop environment very quickly reducing cycle time is often critical to making money on the job !!! If you have worked all you life for big companies where efficient programs are not critical, than this concept is totally foreign to you.

These concepts has been explained to this person by many real machinists, God only knows how many times over the years, in alt.machines.cnc yet he still can't grasp the concepts.

It's really pretty sad. : (

jon

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jon banquer

don't need to use a mouse and it's very, very fast for what I need to do with it...<

Your boss must be pretty cheap. I would have thought by now that you, with your infinite CAD/CAM wisdom and "evangelical" know-how, would have your boss eating out of your hand. It must suck to have all of the CAD/CAM knowledge that you posess - but every day you go to work and use DOS BobCAD.

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Ron Smith

"Jon, if you hate SW so much why even be a poster in a SW discussions board..."

Just because I'm not happy with SolidWorks at present does not mean that I won't be in the future when SolidWorks Corp. is *forced to make the changes* I have talked about for a long, long time. Even the people I have talked with at SolidWorks Corp, agreed that many of these changes need to be made.

As far as think3 is concerned, absolutely nothing in SolidWorks, Inventor, Pro/E Wildfire, Unigraphics, etc. can compare with think3's Global Shape Modeling. Nothing ! I concentrate on think3's superior technology not on their marketing.

I will say this though....thinkdesign / thinkshape can be purchased through Open Mind (Hypermill). The only disadvantage is that it runs one release behind.

"Also Jon VX is not as good as you present it to be."

Your right. VX is much better than I present it to be !!!

I'm conservative. :>)

I have now named several areas that VX kicks SolidWorks butt in and I've also agreed with you that SolidWorks has a better UI than VX. If you want a conversation with me in regards to VX vs. SolidWorks and want to argue SolidWorks then you need to get *specific in you criticism of VX* ...just like I have with SolidWorks.

jon

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jon banquer

Mosty of us know that. But YOU can only use it in 2D for sketches of triangles & suchlike. You DRAW YOUR 2D trig problems in it and dimension them to get the answers.

Ever find "The Big Red Book Of Triangles for Dick and Jane"?

YOU use 2D BobCad DOS IF you can be believed.

Is it even a legal copy or one you got used from someone else that upgraded?

What happened to "Windows Native" and "unfried, blah, blah, blah"?

YOU cannot even use it for 2D CAM CNC programming. But then, again, you don't even do that, do you?

He's been looking for one for about 5 years, folks. Every time he's thought he found one we discovered it was just his well known reading comprehension disabilities yet again .

Hamei corrected noth> He cannot even actually use any of the software.

DOS BobCAD is 3D. A nice little program, actually. ]

That's ALL he wrote. The REST of the material in your post WAS NOT Hamei's.

No CAD/CAM programming at all for you.

Learn how to use BobCad DOS in 3D some day .

Because YOU set up the job wrong, right? Can't even get that right, can you? Ever think of putting the clamp where it actually belongs (free clue)?

We've heard all about your machine crashes & busted tools as a result.

Try telling that to your NEW boss at the NEW shop IF he'll take you off that broom.

IF they wanted YOU to tinker with their programs THEY would have made it part of your job and supplied their own computer & software .... just like the *real* programmer that told you where to put the clamps did.

Like they understand that when cutting work-hardening alloys you start out by looking up the feeds & speeds in some book and then cutting both the SFM & IPR in half (thus taking 4 times as long to make the part even if you did not ruin both it and the tooling?)

YOU cannot speak for ANY "proficient machinists" as YOU are not a machinist either.

BTW, I still get a chuckle out of your posts on how to use a dull, chipped, burned reamer: "double drill the hole".

Liked your tool sharpening methods too: "Use a hand diamond hone".

And who, exactly, has crashed all those expensive machines resulting in all those broken tools and calls for the repair folks to fly in from Japan and similar points with parts to fix the machines?

Who pushes a broom today? LOL ...

You ever get that second hole drilled?

You make what, about US$ 6.50 per hour with that broom? Learning Spanish are you?

Lots of little shops are now gone as well, clueless. How many of the last 20 you worked in are still in business after you cost them so much? Labor, scrap, time, tooling, machine repairs, ....

You really should have drilled that second hole ....

Tell us more about CAD/CAM systems & software. And "surfacing", "splines" and "kernels".

Yep. Him again. Would you buy Aluminum Siding from that guy? He just said a few days ago that think3 was good for it ...

Like I said, he gives them a bad name. Do they deserve it? I don't know.

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Cliff Huprich

A) YOU don't use it and never have. B) ALL you know of it is from fancy ads. C) YOU cannot even reply to peoples simple questions about it. D) I really liked your post telling people to replace MasterCam with it. E) You have never costed it out over 5 years. F) You are an idiot. And a clueless one at that. H) You make it look bad.

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Cliff Huprich

Remedial English is suggested. He needs to start with the alphabet. H does not follow the letter F.

jon

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jon banquer

A,B,C,D,E,F.....

What letter should go next ?

Hint, it's not "H".

jon

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jon banquer

Did your spelling checker tell you that? LOL .... I don't use one. Not worth the bother for banquers. Typos happen.

At least I know what the intended words actually mean.

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Cliff Huprich

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