SW actually has a lot of nifty filleting stuff -
For variable radius fillets, you have three options:
1) The variable radius fillet - specify radii at verteces or points you
2) Face fillet with hold line - automatically varies the radius of the
fillet to keep it in contact with an edge that you create and control with a
'split line'(very, very nice for aesthetic fillets)
3) Curvature continuous fillet with two hold lines - changes the radius and
shape of the fillet to keep it in contact with boundaries on both sides.
You create and control these boundaries with a 'split line'.
I don't know what other packages you are looking at, but SW has done a lot
with filleting without fanfare - things have been happening behind the
scenes to allow many more fillets to work that would have failed even a year
ago. Overt improvements are also impressive - for instance, filleting
'features' instead of just edges and faces is mind-blowingly powerful.
Also, since SW became 'essentially' a hybrid surface/solid modeller (I'm
sure Jon Banquer will chime in with his thoughts on that one), the
occasional filleting problem is worked around without a ton of pain. If you
decide to give SW a shot, take a look at the 'filleting' tutorial at
www.dimontegroup.com - go to the tutorials, then go to Curvy Stuff 102, then
look for the filleting module. Multi-bodies are often quite handy to work
through problems, and 'Atomic bomb' filleting will get you through just
Thank you very much for the link, I will explore it. I know Jon, I
sent him an email last week about something but I suppose his email
address has changed or something.
I use Rhino, Alibre, TrueSpace, ZBrush, Smartcam and Visualmill. I
am still looking for a bit more than those packages "presently" offer.
Rhino has been my main modeler since it's inception, but the V3
"difficulties" and as of this week yet another year before the
variable fillet capability get worked on, well what do I do? I look at
is as their dilemma not mine. Anyway, I am looking to get this
Variable Radius filleting impass behind me as well as looking for a
stable piece of software that I don't get patches for every few days
and "hope" that things remain stable.
Care to comment on stability of SW and file Import/Export
translation? I export my models into cnc mills and routers, tell me,
what are the translation capabilities of SW like?
I know that Rhino has never translated to/from SW very well at all.
Over the years I usually cringe when someone says they want to move
files between SW & Rhino. I have a 20 gigabytes model base, what would
SW offer to deal with moving files between Rhino and SW?
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
Sorry. I have not been using the old e-mail with a underscore between
my first and last name. The new one does not use an underscore. If
I have not addressed your e-mail in what I wrote above to Ed feel
free to e-mail me at my new Yahoo account.
As I said above to Ed, IMO IronCAD will best offer you the integration with
Rhino that I think you need. I have IronCAD installed on this machine and
if you want me to test something for you feel free to get a hold of me by
I would be glad to download files, bring them into IronCAD and send
you back an ACIS or Parsolid file.
-As far as stability, '04 seems to be quite stable. I have had less crashes
with SP0, than I ever had with '03 SP whatever.
-Files being imported have definately gotten better. IMO the real problem is
that most of these companies dont want their programs to "play" with anyone
else. Go figure.
No disagreement, Ed.
IMO, Michael would best be served by IronCAD for the following reasons:
1. IronCAD uses both Parasolid and ACIS for it's modeling kernels.
2. IronCAD has far better integration of Rhino than SolidWorks. See
the IronCAD website for a decent Flash presentation of how this works.
3. Michael can try IronCAD for 90 days free. It's downloadable and has
4. I know for a FACT that the next release of IronCAD due in the 2nd
quarter of 2005 major focus will be on adding surfacing.
Inovate is just a 60 day eval, but that is plenty. I can use it a few
days and find what I need to know. Inovate was the download I got.
What kind of price is VX Mold & Die? It appears to be pretty good but
their eval doesn't download.
Also where is a SW eval download?
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
IMO, you should forget about Inovate and download IronCAD.
They show it for $5,500 but I think you can do better from an
aggressive VX VAR.
It should. Contact Mike Lynch at VX if you continue to have
You would not need to use Rhino if you go with Vision. VX
will also listen to what you have to say. They are a small
but very responsive company.
IMO, Vision is every bit Unigraphics equal at part modeling.
Vision is used by Newport Tool and Die in Road Island who
does a ton of work for Stanley Products.
Don't know but SolidWorks Corp is really generous about
letting students / unemployed engineers / etc. use the
product to learn it at no charge. They are a very
progressive and good company in this way.
Talk about a hypocrite.
One one hand you always harp on how various functionality NEEDS to be
included with the core product.
Then, on the other hand, you praise IronCad for its integration with
Rhino. So why don't you criticize IC for its lack of functionality
(which can be filled with Rhino)???
"Talk about a hypocrite."
Okay, lets talk about it. :>)
"One one hand you always harp on how various functionality
NEEDS to be included with the core product."
I certainly do !
"Then, on the other hand, you praise IronCad for its
integration with Rhino. So why don't you criticize IC for
its lack of functionality (which can be filled with
In Micheal's case I praise IronCAD because it may very well
be what Michael needs with all his legacy Rhino data. Should
I put my own agenda before what may very well be right for
"So why don't you criticize IC for its lack of functionality
(which can be filled with Rhino)???"
I certainly have ! Need proof ? Just ask and I'll post it or
the links to it. In fact, I was so adamant about IronCAD
lacking in needed surfacing functionality that an IronCAD
tech, who use to be a former SolidWorks Certified Support
Engineer and trainer, contacted me. He and I agree on what
is needed in IronCAD.
Further, as I'm sure you read, Michael also has an interest
in VX's Vision and will be evaluating it. VX's Vision is a
seamless, unified, hybrid modeler and does not need to be
augmented like IronCAD and SolidWorks do to get the needed
I hope this answer your questions to your satisfaction. If
not, let me know what you need from me to make it perfectly
clear that I don't think IronCAD is a seamless, unified,
hybrid modeler at the moment. I am confident, however, that
IronCAD will be a seamless, unified, hybrid modeler by the
2nd quarter of 2004.
"I don't know what other packages you are looking at, but SW
has done a lot with filleting without fanfare - things have
been happening behind the scenes to allow many more fillets
to work that would have failed even a year ago. Overt
improvements are also impressive - for instance, filleting
'features' instead of just edges and faces is mind-blowingly
I guess the real question is why were they failing in the
first place ? Parasolid is exceptionally strong with
filleting and always has been. Whatever the reason, I'm glad
that you see progress and that it's helpful to you.
Obviously, I would rather see more balance in Solidworks but
in the absence of balance I'm glad that other areas are
being improved to your satisfaction.
If you can't answer Michael's questions on any filleting
problem that Michael would come across in SolidWorks, I
don't know of another SolidWorks user who could.
Sort of reminds me of the ASD surface package in
CADDS 4X circa 1983 <G>.
Nope. That's not it's function.
Buy some clues someday.
I just did a little search to find jb's first post to mention Parasolid. He's
learned not one single thing. since then.
Anybody recall "King of all CAD modeling ( email@example.com)" from
the 1996 - 97 timeframe?
"Take a look at this PTC web site press release, I had to wait for it to
come out before I could say exactly what I thought "
Real filleting as an optional add-on ???
Where does the B.S. end ????
The developers of PowerSolids / PowerBooleans are extremely
nice and competent people. Nothing but good things to say
about Gary Crooker and how responsive he is.
Gary and his partner should be directly on McNeel's payroll
but Bob McNeel is too narrow minded and too cheap.
Why not raise the price of Rhino and offer a more complete product
instead of the incomplete one it is now.
After all these years Bob McNeel is still totally lost as
the ship drifts at sea. Perhaps an accountant turned salesman
does not have the proper vision needed to deliver what the
market wants ?
Wow, you're buddies. Say no more,... but why is Michael asking here if
you are his buddy,...? Surely with you as his friend he should be able
to get all the answers that he would ever need from you??
I don't know, maybe??
Please, show your work (no marketing bs, your work) using IronCad and
why it would be a better solution for Michael?
You must have examples from your demo's backing your claims, right??
No excuses, show the variable fillet radii which you are supporting and
post them, ok?
Oh, don't spin this into IC with surfacing is not released until next
year bs because we are talking about variable fillet radii now... not
next year promises from an advert.
I have no association with or will I ever have an association with Joe
Ah, but he did say you were the guy, he really wanted to work with
Go for it, you guys are perfect for eachother!!
Makes you go..... HMMMMMMMMM, doesn't it!????
"but why is Michael asking here if you are his buddy,...?"
Most people like to hear a variety of opinions.
Why should Michael be any different ???
"I have no association with or will I ever have an
association with Joe Dunne."
This is no surprise to me. ;>)
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