which should i purchase solidworks 2004 or solidedge 14

Not with the case of patient 143c. This has been pointed out by many others in alt.machines.cnc.

jon

Care to explain why you feel that CNC Software (MasterCAM) has licensed Granite One if STEP is really the best alternative ???

jon

Care to explain how IronCad OR Rhino create toolpaths ?

BTW, *I* don't care how you *feel* (or what).

We are having fun at poor jb's expense .

There's no money in getting mad at clueless idiots .

Feel free, clueless. But send it by surface mail .

Based on your new posting hours I'd guess you got fired again .... who's pushing the broom now?

Because PTC won't share their native format... that's why...

STEP is standard, try to get that into your head... If MasterCam is bad at translating STEP, that's another story.

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When it comes to stuff like this I try and live in the present and not the future.

STEP wants to be *the* standard but isn't yet and I have serious doubts that STEP ever will be

*the* standard.

Perhaps the people who make Gibbs software feel the same way at this point that I do in this regard because while they are big on STEP and STEP NC Gibbs license...

ACIS Granite One Parasolid.

and are very proud of doing so.

:>)

jon

Maybe you should read this...

or this

I'm not sure about your serious doubts as you probably may understand by now...

PS. I could not find anything about Granite One...

/ Mr Atari

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If these standards had any history of really working in the real world perhaps I would be less doubtful.

Lets take the IGES standard... how well does the IGES standard work ?

I think "the Chinese guy" has got it right and so does much of his product, IronCAD. IMO IronCAD can better handle what really happens in the real world with non native data that needs to be imported and easily modified compared to Solidworks one tool does it all approach with FeatureWorks.

jon

Search the ads .

It's a Pro-E buzzword from last year IIRC. ...

They are not crazed ad loons.

Dear clueless, Which *kernel* do they actually use internally? Which are just for translation "kits"?

STEP is open ... you DON"T NEED A LICENSE, any more than you do for IGES.

What's a "standard"?

You are totally clueless, as usual. How many internal data formats are there, anyway?

In you have N formats how many direct translators do you need? (You may use your fingers.)

What's a kernel? A surface? A solid? What, exactly, does a postprocessor do? What's a developable surface? A NURBS surface?

Please don't compare IGES with STEP and you have still not explained why 'Granite One' is better than Pro/E native format...

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Inch is a standard, how well does that work in Europe? Oz is a standard in U.S., try that in Finland...

We are not talking about world wide standards, we are talking ISO. ISO is important and STEP is ISO-standard.

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Why not ?

IGES was suppose to be an industry standard.... how well did that work out ???

STEP is obviously not the industry standard yet or companies like IronCAD, Gibbs, CNC Software, Ashlar, etc. would not bother with licensing Granite One.

Why do *you* think that all these companies have licensed Granite One ??? Do you think these companies like PTC and feel bad that PTC is losing their ass ??? This, after years of PTC trying to force their one tool history based solid only model down eveyone's throats ??? :>)

How well did their "standard" work out ??? LOL

Most people want tools that work *now* and in the real world rather than pie in the sky hopes for a better future based on a dismal past of having blind faith in false gods... er I mean "standards". ;>)

"The Chinese guy" has got it right. Screw the "standards" at least for now and go with what works until something better comes along that proves itself...which is exactly what IronCAD does do and it does it very well.

jon

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meddelandet

Millimeters is a standard. Why does the U.S. not fully use this standard ?

Lots of things are important. AS can be just as, if not more important, depending on the kind of work one does and who they do it for.

jon

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meddelandet

Hm, you still have not answered the question "if Granite One is so damn good, why is PTC using another format in Pro/E?"...

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IGES is not ISO certified, that's a rather big difference. Do you really believe that STEP is just a way to import/export CAD-models? It's a whole family of formats (ranging from documents to PDM).

Granite One is the only way to communicate with Pro/E since PTC won't give their native format away...

Not a standard, just a well used format - big difference.

If no one bothered to create their own formats and used STEP, ACIS, Parasolid and IGES as the only formats - this discussion would obsolete. It's pathetic to think that a REAL standard format (like STEP) would grow by itself - it needs help from the CAD-vendors by NOT introducing a lot of new buzz-formats like Granite One. Take a look at Alibre Design as an example, no extra formats - STEP only (with a little help of parametric definitions inside).

Explain to me what is wrong with STEP...

/ Mr Atari

Did you ever manage to drill those two holes in the right locations?

Just fine. Too bad you got it confused with APT a bit back.

YOU don't have a clue what a standard is.

Did anyone mention direct translators? What's a kernel, clueless?

They are too cheap to do their own development.

More of the usual BS?

So we have found another system you have never used and don't have a clue about.

Are you banned in the Pro-E group too?

How many places, exactly, are you banned from? For being an idiot troll ...

What's a standard, clueless?

So you will copy press releases of *intended* (often vaporware) releases instead of actually learning to use ANY system?

Too bad such systems work so well for so many .... but then THEY can actually use them.

How about making a series of posts on brooms .... and the "sump pumps" YOU think are used in your *claimed* small

2 1/2 D failing machine shops? That you posted they have a specialist to clean .... (WANTED: Sump Pump cleaner for small machine shop. 40 Hr work week, first shift ... must have license and own tools ..)

In the new release that's had a press release about considering starting development .....?