How much fuel does a diesel locomotive typical consume idling? I'm
talking during long periods while parked. I know that it is hard to
restart a cold engine, especially here in the north country during
winter...has there been any thoughts about using the same systems that
have been developed for the trucking industry to limit idling
emissions? The one I saw recently was sweet...kept the air
conditioning running in the summer, maintained a warm cab in the
winter, provided ample electricity to heat the fuel and keep the engine
warm, plus run all the amenities, also provide hydralic and air
Here's some info:
You may skip over the flame.
Try to skip over the asthma, cancer, etc. BS. What these people rarely
mention is that they see nothing wrong with putting power plant workers
out of work (depression, suicides, etc.) and encouraging power
costs to increase faster (lack of bill payments, power is shut off, no
widow dies from hypothermia) in order to 'eliminate 500 deaths per
year', or in other words, to help 450 people in a country of several
million cough and gasp for five more miserable years of agony and maybe
help 50 be slightly more comfortable, or to shift their deaths to other
such as the chain smoking that gave them the emphysema in the first
You think this is hyperbole? The local gas supplier, losing money
as people stopped paying their bills when gas went shrooooom through
the roof, now has the right to shut off gas..in the friggin'
WINTER. After a 10 day notice. Sure, blame hurricanes...but it's the
gas-fired wind through the 'clean' gas-turbine power plants so popular
that REALLY take the blame. I saw this coming 10 years ago.
[Ja, and the gas people also want to slap on a fee that will only kick
if people keep using less gas on average...and they claim it will
'encourage conservation'. There's one for your collection, Steve
We are not dealing with Donora any more, people. This is not
'killer smog'; the smoke you see is bur-eau-cra-cy. I would really love
see a cost versus benefit analysis of this stuff, but of course this
makes me an inhuman monster. Think of the children. The
children! Grr. I hope my kids have somewhere to work...
<FLAME OFF! to save fuel>
And here's somebody's better idea:
I'm all for it, since it actually Solves A Problem That Exists, namely,
that switchers really do idle a lot, and that is unnecessary power use
and pollution, and doesn't do this without Moving All The Industry To
Somewhere Not Here.
Trucks are a little different from locomotives, in that the railroads
don't use antifreeze in the coolant, unless I am greatly mistaken.
They have about 500 gallons of cooling water, so you can see how
antifreeze would be rather expensive...though I'm told a salt-based
antifreeze is used sometimes, though I don't know how that would
*Road* locomotives idle much less often than switchers or trucks,
anyway. Train crews don't pull into railyards, park, put up their
'No Lot Lizards' signs, and sleep. It costs too much to stand a
locomotive still. Another crew takes over if the run is too long for
Diesels take really very little fuel when idling. I had a friend explain to
me that his diesel will consume less fuel if he left it idling for 2-3 hours
than if he shut it off and restarted it again for a road trip. I didn't
believe him so he showed me his fuel logs and that indeed proved that
keeping the engine running did use about 1/2 the fuel that would have been
used to rewarm the engine up.
Why do penguins walk so far to get to their nesting grounds?
About 4 gal per hour, according to page 11 of
Googling the topic produces many references to efforts to reduce the amount
of locomotive idling, for reduction of fuel use, emissions and other
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