Oil headlight & turbo generator?
Electric back-up light?
No pipes from the sandbox?
No boiler washout plugs?
To name a few anomalies.
Yes, I know it's pre-production but they are things to note.
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Roger T. wrote:
>> Here is the pre-production photo Athearn sent out earlier this
> Oil headlight & turbo generator?
> Electric markers?
> Electric back-up light?
> No pipes from the sandbox?
> No boiler washout plugs?
> Brass wheels?
> To name a few anomalies.
> Yes, I know it's pre-production but they are things to note.
Roger, they are, but after seeing this image I've revised my opinion
about this model. It looks much better than I expected. I would now
consider this model as a candidate for detailing/kitbashing.
All the best,
Now you understand! This model (and the 2-6-0s that it is based on)
WONDERFUL candidates for detailing. The last one I bought, a
2-6-0, I paid $65.00 for, in 2001. It was listed at about $70 IIRC.
Here are the detail differences Horizon has added:
A water line and clack valve. (which MDC suggested in instructions)
Pilot support struts (ditto above note)
A rather cradfast operating headlight
One of those weird early airbrake units between the wheels
This last bit bears some discussion. It looks like they stole it from
old teakettle. Look how tiny that cylinder is! It looks like something
put on a freight car. This is no light American, my friends. Look at
boiler and cylinder size...this thing is pretty big for the time.
cylinder was a little clunky, but it was big enough at least, and was
type used with an ordinary lever-linkage-hung shoe arrangement. The
style was probably only used on very small 4-4-0's.
Ok, this is becoming heated. <FLAME ON!>
You look at this, the turbogenerator and oil light (where the heck'd
that monstrosity? A Bachmann Jupiter?), the electric backup light and
markers, and the modern pilot(a MDC original, but MDC advised in
to replace with a suggested Kemtron part if modeling an early era), the
of any valve rod even the wire part MDC /included/ in the kit, and you
that this was redesigned by somebody who looked at a couple photos and
didn't make the effort to understand anything about steam locomotives.
The mix of modern 1920s and archaic 1870s detail is absurd. Yes, I
MDC's original was somewhat generic out of the can. But they at least
understood steam, and included a very neat sprue or two of alternate
AND representative photos of an early and modern era engine WITH
These Horizon folks are airplane people. Would they take a B26, change
landing gear to fixed, wire-spoke wheels and a tail skid, and put four
on the wings, and call it a B17? They'd get laughed off the runway.
Look at this loco's wheels, BTW. Brass? My MDC engine's drivers are
plated. I thought the whole line was being upgraded with those toward
Also note the flashline on the cylinders, and look around, and you will
in other places. Don't expect this to be filed away...we've only got
$150 in this
thing for labor, and probably won't be able to afford it.
Really,it's a damnable shame. They've taken an affordable, adaptable,
kit that with some relaxing handwork could be built into a good-running
fine-looking engine, and kludged in some cheapo electronics, scabbed on
inappropriate and tackily executed detailing. If this was still a kit,
at the same
price as before, it would be a questionable value. But then they
factory-assemble something that was NEVER designed for it, and even
the overseas labor rates they are probably relying on can't make up for
Dave N. -- whether the 'builders' like you and me and greybeard are in
minority, I don't know. I do know that when the subject comes up in
press or online discussion it always seems to involve the disclaimer
COURSE WE ALL WANT RTR STUFF AND THINGS ARE BETTER NOW
YEAH'. Grr. And Bowser, by the way, is still very much in business,
expanding their line at their usual leisurely pace. And as for my
sense, well, I am an engineer, but I try not to downgrade equally
parts of industry such as accounting and sales. If they think this,
will make them millions at $225, well, perhaps it will. I have a minor
in history, though, and their methods seem familiar, so familiar that I
suggestion. Football is a popular game. Why don't they decorate a
say, reefers, to represent popular American football teams, and call it
something like the 'Super Bowl Express'? Oh, they've got lots of
Arrgh. It's a low down dirty no good shame. Steve Caple, you're a
certifi [ed | able] acolyte of Zargon, Lord of the Cosmos, aren't you?
See if you can arrange for some smiting, or at the very least a plague
locusts or boils...
For $224.98 it better do my dishes AND clean the cat box! A 4-4-0
straight from the factory with a decoder might be worth $100 tops.
This is like buying boating stuff. You put the word "marine" in front
of it and the price immediately doubles.
It does seem high to me as a guy who does not use DCC and sound.
But for the DCC and sound equipped steam out there it does seem "in line".
I just think all the "in line" prices for DDC and sound equipped steam are
too high for my budget.
But thats a personal opinion.
In my experience, most items can be found below MSRP.
As to the actual exeecution of the model, I giuess we will all have to wait
to see the production models to find out how well they operate.
-- Jim McLaughlin
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MDC used to be some of the nicest kits, and when bashing for a RR that never
existed, they were cheap enough that you could afford to goof. Horizon
doesn't say, but it doesn't look like they have any intention of producing
anything but rtr, at grossly inflated prices.
Just one more example of someone with a business degree thinking he knows
something about the hobby industry, and destroying the industry in the
process. The inevitable result of big company thinking in a limited market
Cary Pittsburg conversion for the old Tyco/Mantua General makes a nice
4-4-0. UNfortunately, the General is now overpriced to the ridiculous.
Just to put this into perspective, and with all due respect to your
preferences for cheap, easily user-modifiable kits (which I share with
you); yes, this may be, and probably is, a good business decision by
someone with a business degree. (I have a business degree [BSBA]--does
that make me a bad person?)
You know, people like you (and me) who like to tinker with stuff are
probably a *tiny* fraction of the market for model RR stuff. So while it
was nice that MDC and Bowser and others had cheap, decent stuff that we
could tinker with, it was probably just sheer luck that any of those
items survived as long as they did. Face it: the hobby today is in no
way the same as it was 30-40 years ago, in which time frame I'm afraid
you're stuck. People *do* want ready-to-run stuff, you know. Get over
it, and get used to it.
Pricing seems to have little to do with how much it costs to bring an item
The decision about pricing probably goes like this: -
"The current price for good quality steam seems to be around US$250, let's
try US$250.00 and see how it goes. If it doesn't sell, we can aways run
some special sales."
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