Ah, a facinating (though far too short) report on the CBS Evening News
tonight, with little kids watching model trains with big eyes, and UP
trying to explain how just putting their name (or the name of any of
"dozens" of railroads they "bought... and closed down" !!!) is worth $3-7
per model more.
The Bad Press they thought would never happen has started... heh heh heh...
The CBS segment said nothing new at all. They showed some Coca Cola cars
rolling by but did NOT mention any licensing agreements from Coke! While I
give them credit for at least having a spokesman from both sides, CBS once
again showed why FoxNews is kicking their butt in ratings for news shows.
--->Note that while CBS brought up Lionel et al. using UP's logos for free
there was no mention of the lawsuits that CBS has filed against those doing the
same with THEIR logo. LOL!
Kent in SD
You mean nothing new TO US... but to those millions of
non-model-railroaders out there, this is the FIRST they've heard of it,
and it makes the UP look like they're keeping little kids from having
trains for Christmas... NOT exactly the PR image they want, I guarantee
There's a significant difference though... when was the last time you saw
a Coke car on a REAL railroad?
The ONLY way to avoid using UP and subsidiary road rolling stock _at_all_
is probably to model exclusively Maine 2 footers... or the Middle Earth
Well, no argument there... so when is Fox going to do the story? Hmmmm?
Once again, though, that's apples and oranges. The CBS logo IS in current
use. They're entitled to license it, and to prevent unauthorized use. For
that matter, the UP is entitled to try to do the same with their current
logo... though trying to change the long-standing existing relationship in
such an arbitrary and one-sided manner is poor business practice... and
there is no "value received" on the model end of the deal that I can see.
I'd love to see the manufacturers turn around and refuse to DO UP schemes
unless UP paid THEM... like the Santa Fe did for the old Lionel Super
Chiefs. There's a good reason everyone in the country thinks of the Super
Chief when they think passenger trains - SF paid Lionel to do them, and it
was some of the best advertising they ever bought.
However, to claim rights to roads that no longer exist, and haven't for
nearly 100 years... especially those that the UP themselves _abolished_...
they're just plain greedy, and need to have their hands slapped and made
to look foolish. Between the PTMO decision a couple of days ago and this
report tonight, this seems to be exactly what is happening, and I for one
... and it really makes no difference monitarily to me either way... I
model my own road.
Kent in SD asked us to:
Note that our man in SD makes no mention of the lawsuit that Fox News' filed
in an attempt to stop the publication of a book because Fox' trademarked
slogan "Fair & Balanced" appeared on the cover -- yet another frivolous
lawsuit that was summarily thrown out of court.
LOL indeed . . . more like ROTFLMAO!
Back in the 70's when Chessie tried the same thing, the manufacturers (led
by Irv Athearn) just stopped making C&Q/Chessie models. The "hue & Cry"
forced Chessie to back down. They dropped the "fee" idea, settling for just
asking to be notified when a manufacturer introduced a C&O/Chessie model.
Unfortunately, today's liberal "feel good, don't offend anybody"
manufacturers don't have the "balls" Irv and his ilk did.
The Chessie story has multiple threads and a 'gentlemans' agreement was
reached with the help of several cooler heads in the model industry. Chessie
got started on this when a tee-shirt with their trademarked 'Chessie' cat
getting sexually 'violated' was being sold. The legal department went all out
and suggested that they enforce all possible avenues to show that they were
protecting their intellectual property. At no time do I remember a shortage of
C&O/Chessie models and the entire issue was settled within about 6 months. At
least that is the 'urban myth' I remember from the 70's.....And yes, I did see
one of those 'off color' tee-shirts at a train show once....
You have the best solution yet. I think that Onion Pacific has a real
good ring to it. I wonder how long it would take UP to file a lawsuit
to the effect that the Onion Pacific was actually an infringement and
play on words that sounded similar to Union Pacific.
I may just model the OP as my home railroad empire. I can see it now.
Big Grey nosed CP 40-2's with yellow trim! LOL
Have a good holiday season everyone, no matter how you may or may not
celebrate it. See you down the OP Railroad!
Railfan wrote in news:B0BEb.15661
Since railroads aren't in the passenger business anymore, having their logo
on model trains doesn't really increase their bottom line, so UP doesn't
care. What UP fans need to do is write to some of UP's big customers & tell
them they will boycott their products if they continue to ship via UP, until
they no longer charge a fee to use their logo (registering to use it for a
modest fee to cover administrative costs seems reasonable, though). Send a
copy of the letter to UP. Then maybe the big customers will pressure them
to drop the idea. UP will listen to them.
things like tee-shirts and the like. Any rogue vendor can run off a batch of
UP" tee-shirts and sell them at a train show. He is in and out before the
Brobdingnag can respond to the stimulus. Punishing the ligitimate manufacturers
the actions of the rogues proves nothing and accomplishes nothing in the favor
The rogues will always be there. They are unstopable
The rogues will always sell "Piss on Brobdingnag " tee-shirts.
The Brobdingnags will never get a penny from any of them.
I feel sorry for all the younger and newbie modelers who will have to deal with
insanity in the coming years. It is a terrible thing that a few mean-spirited
and greedy individuals can cause this much trouble. It seems that we are
live in an era of terrorism of every conceivable kind, including cultural
Calling any corporation greedy for protecting their interests I think
is a bit off the mark. Counterfeit and unlicensed goods can be
detrimental to their reputation and I think they are perfectly right
to take any means protect their image and profit from the
image they have built. It's their logo. They built the identity.
Why should they not benefit when the manufacturers using the image are
intending to profit from it?
I would ask then if this were truly the case then why all of this
discussion on the matter?
: I feel sorry for all the younger and newbie modelers who will have to deal
: insanity in the coming years. It is a terrible thing that a few
: and greedy individuals can cause this much trouble. It seems that we are
: live in an era of terrorism of every conceivable kind, including cultural
Wow! Froggy, you taught me another new word...
NOUN: The destruction of tissues or cells of an organism by the action of
substances, such as enzymes, that are produced within the organism. Also
As far as a "shortage" of models, I forget the exact year, but checking the
Walthers catalog, there was a period there where C&O/Chessie models DID have
much less representation than the year before of the year after.
Ah, but the very point with the fallen flag roads (which is what _I_
object to) is that it's NOT "their interests" at all... in fact, they've
done almost everything they could to make the old roads disappear. Now,
all of a sudden, they want money for use of those marks... whose
protection long ago lapsed, and in many cases no vestige of the original
road exists at all anymore, with the ROWs completely abandoned. _This_ is
the greed I am citing.
Excuse me? COUNTERFEIT? I somehow doubt that the UP is going to lose much
traffic to a model train pulled by Kato N scale SD90s... It's not a
counterfiet, it's arguably _art_...
They built the _UP_ identity. THAT is their logo, and they're untitled to
liscense it as they please. They did nothing for the SP, D&RGW, WP, or any
of several dozen other roads.
Ummm... because they did everything they could to eradicate them?
Fine... show me how UP provides any value for a MoPac boxcar?
What is the connection between UP's interests and model railroads? What
protection do they need from HO boxcars?
The UP shield, yes. Other roads logos, no.
Only in the case of their own railroad. They did not build the identity
of roads they acquired by merger.