Well, we are currently at the center of a very weird troll vs. kook
rmr vs. Usenet civil war. Best to disregard the OTness and try not
President, a box of track and some plans
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:47:51 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
My take? Well, overwrought emotions are sort of leading some folk to
overreact more than just a little. The trolls see that and are
leading them around by the nose. I find it all very amusing and leap
in with the occasional one liner. Trust me, David, I'd rather be
laughing with you about them.
Chill. Just let them go. Discuss what you want to and ignore them.
Or engage them. Your choice. If you want to discuss MRR related
stuff, do so. If you want to engage them in a battle of wits,
remember one thing. They studied for the degree in wit but only half
finished their study. Do you see any of them impersonating anyone
besides the very few who engage them actively?
Eventually, the trolls get tired and move on. What makes them madder
than anything else is when we remove their cross posting without
commenting on that removal. Just do it and watch how fast it all
dies down. They're showing off in front of their troll mates.
I'm having an interesting problem. An ISP that's to big to talk much
with me. And of course me, who's not very good with computers. Using OE
suddenly last Saturday _sending_ email failed. I was told it was not the
ISP but something related to POP! They gave me another server to log on to.
So here is the problem; I never stopped receiving email I just can't send it
(on both servers). Both servers "ping" just fine. The connection to the
net is just fine. This morning I have received no news except for my test
and your reply. So I was guessing another problem however still no news
except for your reply when normally there a fifty messages. Of course most
are garbage but??????????
It would help if you specified which version o Windows and IE/OE you are
In the meantime, have you:
a) updated your anti-virus (etc) software and run it recently? (You will
probably have to pay for those updates, which shouldn't faze you - you
pay for regular maintenance for your car, right? Same goes for your
b) updated your copy of Windows? (If it's Win95/98/ME, you have an
orphan operating system, and should replace it as soon as possible.)
c) updated your copies of MS software? IE is at version 7-something, and
OE at 6-something (I don't know for sure, I use neither of them.)
d) double-checked all settings in OE? It's especially important that you
check the identities and passwords.
e) considered using another e-mail/newsreader program than OE?
Sometimes it works to delete the account from OE, restart and remove all
remaining evidence of the account from OE, restart and set up the
account again, and then, just for good measure, restart again.
Note that updating can take a long time, and may require several
restarts. If you haven't updated recently, you may not even see all
updates, since some of them won't work until prior ones are installed.
So you should repeat the updating until MS's update site tells you there
are no more updates available for your computer (or you don't need the
If you are using wireless, it's possible that your computer is
connecting to an external network, in which case that network may not
let your machine send anything, and it may be filtering incoming mail,
too. This just happened to us: the motel across the street has set up
wireless access for its guests, and from time to time my wife's laptop
latches onto that external network instead of our in-house one. Depends
on where she's located. She could receive, but not send.
a. Yes, Norton AntiVirus. System check yesterday.
b. Windows XP ED2 linked updates
c. IE 7 and OE 6
d. ISP in one conversation helped and all is correct
e. The amount of saved email in the Yahoo Group that's hobby related would
make this a large task and I wouldn't understand the new services. I'm old
and change is difficult. Below is the error message if it means anything to
Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for
this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of
inactivity. Account: 'vader.inow.com', Server: 'vader.inow.com', Protocol:
SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10053, Error Number:
Bear in mind this is the same server and connection that is _delivering_
my email just fine.
I use Thunderbird (free) for newsreading, and PMMail (about $40) for
e-mail. Both are IMO superior to OE. Thunderbird is also an e-mail
client, but PMMail is better, because it refuses to open any attachments
without your permission, which makes it very safe to use. Won't open a
link to a website, either.
Well, it means you have a socket error, which I can't deal with. It does
look like a problem at your end, though, so you should be able to fix
it, with help. I suggest you go to a Windows newsgroup, and ask your
question there, posting the above error message. Try
e-mail. Both are IMO superior to OE<
I belong to many Yahoo (moderated) groups dealing with modelRRing and
DCC. Many emails are save and form a very large database. Probably
thousands of messages. Changing all this would be very difficult.
I'm guessing something/someone has vastly restricted this news groups
because it's gotten out of hand lately. How it's been done (IF) or how it
could be done I have no idea but with enough complaints I suspect ISPs could
do something if they wanted.
A sure indication something was going on would be other similar news
groups, with similar postings, that seem to be also lacking mail/news.
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