Model Rail - May 04 ... British Epoch system? Bachmann cl.20

This is the sort of thing proposed by DEMU (and various people before and since) and makes absolutely good sense. There's little point in referring to Modern Image when it covers from 1968-2004!

Personally, I would tinker with the groupings for my own satisfaction (I would introduce a corporate blue era and Sectorisation) - but that's half the fun of discussing something like this. No two people will ever agree completely but it's still better than what we have now.

I've rather gone off Darren since he joined MR. First of all he appears to have lost all objectivity in his ability to fairly review a new model (eg Bachmann 37 - remember the BIG RED FAN?) and since he's discovered O gauge that's all he seems to build. Hardly representative of the modelling fraternity (where, as we all know, most modellers model N gauge). It's still the only out and out modelling mag I buy (Rail Express being the other).

Those atrocious adverts have probably done more harm to N gauge than anything else in living memory (apart from the N gauge Lima Deltic that appeared to have been built to run on TT gauge). Just why are they so s*it? I've seen better photos on eBay! Much better photos, no really!

"Justin Colson" wrote

Yes, credit where it's due, I also thought that Darren's review of the class

Nice to see a fair bit of diesel & electric content too, reflecting recent trends in our customers' buying patterns.

John.

Justin Colson offered me a plate of cheese and whispered:

You would have to have Epoch 3a and Epoch 3b to take into account the two BR crests. For me, post-1957 just does not exist!

-- Enzo (not helping)

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

LOL! I remember buying a Dublo 3-rail Cl.20 (ca 1958?), their first diesel with a detailed plastic body. I used to enjoy removing the body and bogie frames, and converting it to a tram with a cardboad body.

Isn't "Modern Image" another Cyrilism? In which case, it goes back at least to 1963, when he first wrote it in connection with new freight liveries and logos (the Flying Box springs to mind.)

Post Nationalisation up to mid 1956 when the liveries had finally settled, and the Modernisation Plan was announced

Transition from mid 1956 through to end of 1966. Green diesels and steam mixed.

Blue Period 1967 till Sectorisation.

Cheers, Francis K.

"Dave Potter" wrote

Ah yes, the new post-privatisation re-nationalisation period. :-)

John.

EU-Railways?

(He said, trying to hide the tounge-shaped bulge in his cheek...) ;-)

This is all very complicated. How about simply:

Chris

"Chris Nevard" wrote

Because there were some serious changes within those decades for instance in

John.

In message , John Turner writes

And equally nothing much changed between 1958 and 1964 (for example).

Apart from the introduction of 100s of Diesels, large scale scrapping of steam and little things like the Beeching plan! Keith

Make friends in the hobby. Visit Garratt photos for the big steam lovers.

Keith,

And, IIRC, North Cydeside electrification and maybe even WCML electrification :-)

Jim.

WCML was underway when I was down in Watford in summer 1961.

The message from MartinS contains these words:

...and was complete between Crewe and Weaver Junction in 1960, plus the branches to Liverpool and Manchester.

David

I did a fair bit of travelling between Glasgow and London in the early

I just couldn't remember when the electrification of the northern section to Glasgow was completed.

Jim.

IIRC, 1975 (or early '76), the Class 50's were then transferred to the WR [1] as replacements for the Western DH class.

"John Sullivan" wrote >> This is all very complicated. How about simply:

And equally nothing much changed between 1958 and 1964 (for example).

Salvé

dear All, As far as I am concerned the only thing that needs sub dividing is the so called modern image era, narrow guage is almost timeless and should be subdivided by country, but the 40+ years of modern image really does need a better name, Cyril Freezer useed a good expression at the time (mid 60´s?) but time is creeping on as my bones tell me and hearing some of the expressions used perhaps a set of era anmes that we can all agree to is well in order. Heck if the Germans could do it (and they had a whole bunch of individual companies too) then we should too, not to mention the French ! Beowulf