Hi All,
After reding the thread on airbrushing, I wondered what peoples preferences
may be as to the paint they use.
Which paint do you prefer to use in your airbrush for ease of use and
quality of work, and/or ease of cleaning?
Spirit based paint such as enamels?
Acrylic water soluble based paint.?
Or other type.
Eddie.
I haven't used spirit based paint in a long time, its far to nasty and
messy !
Yes, use the recomended thinners and it works a treat and will deliver
great looking results.
For weathering I have tried all sorts of water based paints including
watercolours and artists acrylics, usually thinned with surgical spirit
with good results.
Chris
Eddie Bray said the following on 31/01/2006 11:26:
Most definitely enamels - preferably Precision Paints. Cleaning isn't a
problem as I just use those aerosol cleaning cans, squirted through
during a session, then at the end of the session I use the same cans to
clean the dismantled parts.
preferences
Has to be enamels, humbrol, rail match, or whatever other makes there are.
I have tried to spray acrylics but never had any success. Even tried adding
Iso Propyl Alcohol to the spray mix (as recommended on this group) and it
makes no difference, the finish is always uneven and blotchy at best, and
the brush always seems to get clogged.
When I last asked about this here I was spraying a model of DS9 for my son.
Did the stand in Humbrol matt black and ring of the station in Acrylic
Desert Sand. I took both parts into Wicor Models and asked Dave for an
opinion. Apparently there is nothing wrong with my technique (judged from
the stand) so the c**p finish on the ring must be due to the paint (so he
said). It must be possible to spray acrylics because son now does warhammer
and he uses an acrylic black spray in an aerosol to undercoat the models
before he finishes them, but what the secret ingredient is that makes it
work I have no idea.
If anyone does spray acrylics successfully I would be interested to hear
about how they do it.
Elliott
Give the acrylics one more go, and try this:
Instead of using alcohol which is no good at all as a thinner for airbrushing,
find a
shop that sells art supplies and get a small quantity of a substance called "Air
Brush Medium". Here in the US it is manufactured under several brand names
including
"Liquitex" and "Golden". Liquitex is my favorite, but you will find that they
all
pretty much do the same. You may have to experiment just a bit to find the proper
ratio of medium-to-paint that suits your environmental situation as well as your
personal taste. Start with a 30-60 mix of medium-to-paint. Unlike alcohol,
which is
nothing more than a fast evaporating solvent, and may even aggravate the
blotching
and clogging problem, airbrush medium is specifically engineered to facilitate
the
use of acrylic paints in airbrushing applications. It retards curing time ever so
slightly, adds lubrication to the abrasive paint, allows the paint to level and
flow
before curing and, unlike alcohol, does not reduce the vehicle-to-pigment ratio,
nor
does it reduce the adhesion of the paint to the substrate. With some paints, the
addition of alcohol will cause the pigment to precipitate out of suspension in
the
vehicle such that recovery is not possible. At that point the model may appear
to
have been painted, but the paint will not adhere. A clue that the paint is
ruined is
that it will require frequent or constant agitation to stay "mixed", which it
isn't
any more. When you attempt to mask and paint an adjoining color, the masking
removes
the paint.
Very frustrating, to say the least.
Now, some folk may tell you that alcohol is just the ticket, and that it works
like a
treat. This is rubbish. These individuals either have very poor standards for
their
finished work, or they have been very lucky so far.
So now, you can trust to alchemy and luck, or you can use the product that is
engineered to do the job. Acrylic paints are super when properly applied
Happy airbrushing.
snipped-for-privacy@noisp.com said the following on 31/01/2006 15:21:
Thanks for this - I've also had problems spraying acrylics, so this is
something new I can try.
vehicle-to-pigment
Provided the paint is clean, and it is appropriately thinned, I've never had
a problem spraying water-based acrylics. Preferred medium used to be
cellulose (smooth surface takes decals better) followed by a satin or matt
varnish. Contrary to rumour, cellulose is fine on (styrene) plastics
provided it is sprayed a such a distance that most of the solvent
evaporates.
Now that cellulose has been replaced by acrylics, I am conserving existing
stocks!
Elliot,
I do not know where you live, but I tried 6 art supply shops within 40 miles
of Plymouth and 4 had not even heard of Acylic airbrush medium, said they
diluted acrylics with water and the other 2 did not stock it. I ended up
googling and after visiting half a dozen sites found the one previously
stated. Two of the sites visited wanted £6 and £6.95 for shipping a 273ml
bottle.
Good luck in your town though.
Eddie
"Eddie Bray" wrote in
news:7QHDf.224254$ snipped-for-privacy@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
...
Suitably thinned enamels tend to give a more consistant and better finish
... but your airbush takes a little longer to clean. You know what you're
getting with an enamel and although airbrushing takes a bit of practice,
both getting the paint right and the technique right once you've got the
hang of it, it's a doddle.
Acrylics ... if standard model paints are thined can give a poor finish,
the "colour" in the paint can be made up of quite large flakes and clog the
brush - Tamiya acrylics can be quite poor in that respect - although they
make a very good "brush paint". IOW the formulation of acrylic paint is
much more varied than enamels.
Having said that, there are now acrylics that are now supposedly formulated
for airbrush use ... they should be fine but I've never used them.
Cleanliness of paint (and thinners) is critical. I keep a complete range of
paints and thinner only for airbrushing. No brush ever gets dipped in it;
and the thinners are never used quickly to wet a rag to wipe up paint. Keep
everything covered when not in immediate use.
"Eddie Bray" wrote
Fareham Art Gallery (yes, its a shop) didn't have any airbrush medium but
they did have a range of Daler Rowney acrylic ink (Note: INK) that claims to
be OK for airbrushing. See
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I have a project to do in a month or so that requires a loco body to be
painted black, I will get some, try it and post the results here. I thought
about doing a couple of wagons but the colour range is a bit limited and my
colour sense is likewise restricted so I don't want to try mixing it for
myself.
I also will go down to Portsmouth later in the week, there is a specialist
airbrush art shop there and I will try to get some medium from them.
Results will also appear here.
In the meantime, anyone know what you have to do to prime whitemetal for
acrylic paint? Does the usual grey primer work?
Regards
Elliott
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