"One Six Right"

Beautiful - Thanks!

I saw this film and recorded it in Hi Def on my DVR. Absolutely grea

work.

Anyone who has flown Microsoft Flight Simulator will appreciate th segment on Meigs Field in Chicago. Now, I start some flights at Va Nuys.

Hats off

-- Ledbette

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| I thought I'd post some information here about our General Aviation | film "One Six Right." If you love planes or aviation of any kind, I | think you'd enjoy our film. {Disregard if not interested.}

You need to be very careful here, Tony ...

Yes, this newsgroup deals with airplanes. And yes, many of it's readers are probably interested in general aviation, and so they may be interested in your documentary as well.

However, your post still has little to do with *model* airplanes, and so it's still off-topic. And commercial in nature to boot, though this group isn't particularly hostile to commercial posts when done properly (some groups are much, much worse.)

And `disregard if not interested' tells us that you know your post doesn't belong here, and decided to post it anyways. Spam of all sorts often has phrases like this in it in the hopes that it'll prompt a few people to not complain about it. You may think saying this helps excuse an off-topic post? It doesn't. In fact, it makes it worse, for the reason I just gave.

I see you posted to rec.models.scale and rec.models.rockets too -- your post is even further from on-topic on those groups.

On the bright side, many group regulars probably are interested (it's been mentioned here by group regulars already, after all.) And you didn't try to be a shill and tell us about this `great new video you just happened to find' ... honesty is a good thing. And you only seem to have posted to three groups (so far?), so obviously you're not spamming all of Usenet.

In any event, I think you got away with it this time (at least in this group -- I've no idea about the other two groups), but you need to be very careful when advertising on Usenet -- it can backfire *very* quickly, and even a small Usenet or email advertising `campaign' can turn into all sorts of bad publicity and cause all sorts of problems.

C'mon Doug, "..you need to be very careful here." sounds like a warning you have no right to send. IMHO, we are all pilots and probably interested in all aspects of aviation otherwise we wouldn't be involved in the hobby. While OT may have been included in the subject line, I don't think it's a big deal. I enjoyed the info because it stirred the juices and was beautifully done. There is a great deal of flexibility in Usenet and it's there because we, the users, want it there. What we don't need/want is self appointed moderators - no flame intended just a statement of my opinion. Enjoy life instead of critiquing it! Tallyho!, Ed F.

| C'mon Doug, "..you need to be very careful here." sounds like a | warning you have no right to send.

I disagree. I'm doing Tony a favor, warning him of the danger. Everything I said was true and appropriate.

| IMHO, we are all pilots and probably interested in all aspects of | aviation otherwise we wouldn't be involved in the hobby.

Yes, many people who are interested in models are also interested in general aviation. That doesn't mean stuff related to GA (and not models) should be posted here -- the GA groups are over there ---->

And rec.models.rc.air was the group that he posted to that was

We're *not* all pilots. rec.models.scale and rec.models.rockets (the other groups he posted to) are probably full of people who aren't pilots. (Are people who fly rockets called pilots?)

| While OT may have been included in the subject line, I don't think it's a | big deal.

Well, I think it could become a big deal if he continues. You have no more right to say it's not a big deal than I do to warn him of the dangers.

As for OT, it just tells us that you know your post doesn't belong here, and yet you posted it anyways. It's a little better if you're a regular in the group in question, but Tony isn't even that.

| There is a great deal of flexibility in Usenet and it's | there because we, the users, want it there.

And if the Users don't want it there, they will retaliate. He posted to three unrelated newsgroups, and he doesn't appear to ever have posted to Usenet before (at least not under that name or address.)

It often starts out like that - a company (or just a salesman) posts an advertisement to a few groups that are maybe marginally appropriate, nobody complains, and so then they post to hundreds of groups, totally unrelated groups -- then people complain. In large numbers. The company gets a reputation for spamming ...

He even used (probably unintentionally) spammer words -- `Disregard if not interested'. Yes, all the spammers would like us to disregard their spam if we're not interested -- they'd much prefer that to us actually complaining about it.

I don't think his intent was to get labeled as a spammer, so I felt it was important to warn him that it could very easily happen.

| What we don't need/want is self appointed moderators

Now who's being the self appointed moderator? I warned Tony (via email too, because I'll bet he doesn't read this group) that here be dragons (and not specifically on this group) but now you're telling me that I `have no right to send' that ? Nuh-uh.

I never told him he can't or even shouldn't post. I told him to be careful. And he should.

| Enjoy life instead of critiquing it!

What if you enjoy critiquing life?

Quit trying to moderate the group. It's not going to work. Instead, go out and fly. Here in Austin, TX it's partly cloudy with 20 mph SE winds -- just the thing for sloping at Mansfield dam. I even have my plane in the car, ready to go, but work was too busy to sneak away ... argh!

Actually, I believe you will find many RC flyers also fly full size aircraft. For instance, in our local group of 12 rc helicopter flyers, six of us also fly full size fixed wing and two fly full size helicopters. The pilot group varies from an ATP who flies left seat for a major airline to people like me who thrash about the sky in Wichita spam cans. All of us enjoy the art of flying whether rc or real, and while the original post *was* out of the topic of rc models, it did relate to our common interest in flying.

Ron Kelley

| Actually, I believe you will find many RC flyers also fly full size | aircraft.

Of course. Did I imply something else? If so, that was not my intent.

And many of us tinker in ham radio -- so let's post here about some new VHF rig!

And many of us live in houses, so let's post here about home repair.

Most of us have cars, so let's post here about the newest cars.

Many of us live in the US, so let's complain about (or praise) the government here. The rest of us live somewhere else, so let's complain about (or praise) their governments too.

And most of us are male, so let's post here about some new penis enhancement pill ...

(Though really, nothing enhances your penis like a plane with a 10+ foot wing span. (Or a 10" wing span -- bigger isn't always better.) Or a turbine jet that goes 200 mph. `Yeah, he's compensating for something ...')

| and while the original post *was* out of the topic of rc models, | it did relate to our common interest in flying.

Don't forget -- he also posted to rec.models.rockets and rec.models.scale. Not everybody who makes car models is into flying ...

I really wasn't looking to crucify the guy (and so I didn't), and you're right -- many people on this newsgroup are probably interested, but I did want to let him know that he could easily get in trouble if he continued to advertise his DVD like that.

Looks like I don't have a whole lot of support in suggesting that his posts were inappropriate, however.

No, but if your post was to inform the OP of the danger in what he was doing then you were on spot. What you said very well may have happened. If his vid was crap(it was cool) he may have gone down in flames. :) mk

OK Doug, We may not agree with what you say but *you* will defend to the death your right to say it Tallyho - Ed.

This was also mentioned in a post back in the middle of December which is where I first heard about the DVD. I'm glad I did and got a copy for my Dad for Christmas..

David