No that is not literally true. I am an occassionally user of AC LT 2008 and am just a novice. I use it to design patterns that I attach to wood and scrollsaw.Nothing I do is for commercial reasons. Scroll saw products are given to friends and family. Now for my question. I want to design a heart that will measure 6" high and 5" wide. I know that I only have to draw one side and then create the other side using mirror. I have been trying to use pline but I just can not get it looking right. I am of the feeling that I can use pline and then specify the coordinates for each 'section' of the line. My problem is this is above my ability. Can anyone give me the line by line commands to accomplish this? Thanks for your interest and help.