is like delving into the underworld, the mafia...........when asking
searching questions even from the suppliers.
mention one particular maker and bang, you get a full load of buckshot in
the face, from someone you don't know, never seen who appears out of the
I've been using Bobcad since V17
I'm pretty good with v21
I can't find the time to learn my new v22
A friend of mine just bought Alibre, I can't tell what features he got in
He has done most of the demos and successfully ran them on a 3 axis cnc
router I set him up with.
Don't let the salesman bully you into anything.
They want and need your money.
I never pay the asking price at Bobcad. You might not get away with this on
the initial purchase,
but in the future, feel free to abuse your sales rep a little.
If you ask about a certain software THEN you get the full load............if
you don't then you get some reasonable responses. As in this case someone is
actually saying that a certain software is very good. As my reseller said
yesterday ALL need working with and some of the lower cost packages are very
good, I'll still not name names............I don't need that load.
Plus had I said what do we all think about *#*#*#*#*# then BANG off go the
antis who probably have never even used it. Again we only hear from 1 in a
thousand, the other 999 are having fun with it.
So please more answers.............
The question was:
If I want to use a very buggy piece of software that is poorly
designed and laid out and never properly tested before it's released,
by people who have no idea what tools a CAM programmer really needs,
than what would be my best choice?
The answer too many CAM software problems can be found here:
Look for much more to be added this weekend.
San Diego, CA
Everyone has an opinion, and that's great.
Each individual finds something that works for their particular set of
I hear people trash BC, but don't offer up their favorite alternative, and
please mention the cost to acquire and maintain your alternative
Ok. No names... (this is quite generalized then):
Brand X at $4000: (I don't know the ones cheaper than that)
Pros: Very simple. Easy to learn for simple easy to machine parts. Great
for getting the average setup guy to make some programs. Low cost.
Cons: Primitive modelings tools. Tough with large data sets i.e., large
models with many operations and tools. Quickly grow out of it when you
expand your work complexity. Legacy data will be an issue when you
change systems. ***
Brand Y at $22,000:
Pros: Cad and Cam are one. Endless modeling tools, high end multi-axis
machining ability. Full control of data including shop documentation and
model revision. Fast even with complex programs.
Cons: Harder to learn. Fewer (cheap) programmers use it. Cost.
Entry level model of Brand Y at $$8,000:
Pros: Fairly simple (with minor training). Cad and Cam are one. Your
"good" setup guy will learn it. Great modeling and cam tools. Upwards
technology growth. Moderate price.
Cons: Price compared to Brand X.
I guess you don't read very well. I offer an alternative to BobCRAP
all the time. It's FeatureCAM and can be had if you know the right
people for $3,000. Maybe $2,500.
By the time most users have paid for all the BobCRAP upgrades,
training software, training seminars, etc. they've paid $3,000 or more
and still have pure garbage. The exception to this is someone like SVL
that still uses BobCRAP V17 and knows the BobCRAP game. Someone like
SVL is maybe ahead in terms of pure dollars spent but he'd still be
much better off with FeatureCAM.
Perhaps I should devote a page on the Jon Banquer Blog to this