CAM software

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for entire article click on http://www.cimdata.com/press/PR08-0603.htm
=============CAM Software Market Leaders Named by CIMdata
ANN ARBOR, Michigan, June 3, 2008 In the recently-released Version 17 of the NC Software and Related Services Market Assessment Report, consulting and research firm CIMdata Inc. named the worldwide CAM software market leaders for 2007 and projected those expected to be market leaders in 2008. For 2007, Dassault Systmes was the market leader on the basis of both vendor revenues received and end-user payments for CAM software and services, CNC Software was the leader on the basis of industrial seats shipped, and Planit Holdings was the leader on the basis of industrial seats installed. SolidCAM was named as the most rapidly-growing vendor.
Mr. Alan Christman, CIMdata Chairman and primary author of the report noted that, Even though there have been a number of recent mergers and acquisitions, the CAM software market continues to be highly-fragmented and competitive. There is no single vendor or small group of vendors that dominate the worldwide market. CIMdata tracks approximately 50 CAM software vendors and the rankings in the Report each list 20-30 vendors, depending upon the category. <snip> ===============Anyone here using Dassault Systmes [CATIA] or Planit Holdings programs? http://www.3ds.com/corporate/regional-spotlights/northamerica / http://www.planit.com /
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F. George McDuffee wrote:

Certainly. Did you expect less from professionals? BTW, how did you manage the accent grav?
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:44:21 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
<snip>

<snip> ============In this case I cut and pasted from the web site.
You can also use an included windows program called charmap.exe normally located in c:\winnt\system32. I put the icon in the tool bar.
You can also use the alt + number keypad combination. Hard to do on a portable [without numerical keypad] (hold down alt + 138 [keypad only] release) = see http://www.starr.net/is/type/altnum.htm among many sites
You can also select an international keyboard with the dead key diacritical markings. You can hot key switch between the keyboards. Click on start -> settings -> control panel -> keyboard -> input local. (I like Brasilian ABNT2 Portuguese.) To use you press the diacritical mark you want [in this case lowercase tilde] nothing will print, then when you press the e key you will get the . To get the mark itself e.g. " (which generates an umlaut) you need to press the space key.
There are probably a lot more ways.
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John R. Carroll wrote:

John:
    ALT 130 =
    From a post I made years ago:
=======================================================To All:
    Hold down the ALT key, and type in the numbers on the keypad, then let up on the ALT key to get the following symbols.
ALT + 0153 = ALT + 0169 = ALT + 0174 = ALT + 0177 = ALT + 0178 = ALT + 0179 = ALT + 0186 = ALT + 0188 = ALT + 0189 = ALT + 0190 = ALT + 253 = ALT + 248 = ? ALT + 246 = ======================================================    Some other symbols:
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci847800,00.html
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I always learn something new from you Bob. Jerry

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Jerry wrote:

Jerry:
    Heh, why thank you. Glad some of my scribblings could be informative/entertaining. I also learned something new from you the other day about DMU's having sight glasses on some of their machines.         I've always thought trading knowledge was the main point of this newsgroup. I even made a sig. about this sort thing some time ago, let me see if I can dig it up.
#95 Help provided Machinists guided Shared ideas and tools Alt.machines.cnc rules!
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And the one I use the most:
ALT + 0216 =
ALT + 0176 = < I remember this one since it is one away from 0177 ALT + 0177 =
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On Aug 8, 5:37 pm, F. George McDuffee <gmcduf...@mcduffee- associates.us> wrote:

CIMData charges CADCAM companies to review their products. They are by no means objective or accurate. Occasionally a CADCAM company might provide Alan Christman / CIMData with some interesting info about their product but it's rare.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:37:42 -0500, F. George McDuffee

Yes use both.
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wrote:

I heard that stuff was used mainly in the auto industry?
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wrote:

Dassault & Planit Holdings offer quite a few programs, some may be associated with auto industry not all.
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:13:03 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

===I was under the impression that CATIA was mainly an aero-space product. Dassault is a major French Aero-space company, but I don't know if this is the same Dassault. http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/aviation.html?L=1 Seems to be very good for fitting parts/sub-assemblies together, and for engineering [FAE] model generation. Also there seems to be a super BOM add-on. All of which would be good for automotive.
http://www.3ds.com/products/catia/catia-discovery /
Anyone know for sure?
Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?
Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
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F. George McDuffee wrote:

Chrysler and Ford were CATIA houses and as far as I know, still are.
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ABT - CATIA - AUTOMOTIVE BODY IN WHITE TEMPLATES 2 Product AMG - CATIA - ADVANCED MACHINING 2 Product ANR - DMU ENGINEERING ANALYSIS REVIEW 2 Product AS1 - CATIA - ASSEMBLY DESIGN 1 Product ASD - CATIA - ASSEMBLY DESIGN 2 Product BK2 - CATIA - Business Process Knowledge Template 2 Product C12 - CATIA - COM 1 to 2 EXTENSION Product CBD - CATIA - CIRCUIT BOARD DESIGN 2 Product CC1 - CATIA - CADAM INTERFACE 1 Product CCV - CATIA - CORE & CAVITY DESIGN 2 Product CD1 - CATIA - Instant Collaborative Design 1 Product CFO - CATIA - CAST & FORGED PART OPTIMIZER 2 Product CNA - CATIA - Compartment and Access 2 Product CPE - CATIA - COMPOSITES ENGINEERING 2 Product CPM - CATIA - COMPOSITES DESIGN for MANUFACTURING 2 Product DF1 - CATIA - Product Data Filtering 1 Product DL1 - CATIA - DEVELOPED SHAPES 1 Product DMN - CATIA - DMU NAVIGATOR 2 Product DMO - DMU OPTIMIZER 2 Product DN1 - CATIA - DMU NAVIGATOR 1 Product DSE - CATIA - DIGITIZED SHAPE EDITOR 2 Product DSS - CATIA - Shape Sculptor 2 Product E5I - 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CATIA - PART DESIGN FEATURES RECOGNITION 1 Product FS1 - CATIA - FREESTYLE SHAPER 1 Product FSK - CATIA - FREESTYLE SKETCH TRACER 1 Product FSO - CATIA - FREESTYLE OPTIMIZER 2 Product FSP - CATIA - FREESTYLE PROFILER 2 Product FSS - CATIA - FREESTYLE SHAPER 2 Product FT1 - CATIA - 3D FUNCTIONAL TOLERANCING & ANNOTATION 1 Product FTA - CATIA - 3D FUNCTIONAL TOLERANCING & ANNOTATION 2 Product GAS - CATIA - GENERATIVE ASSEMBLY STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS 2 Product GD1 - CATIA - GENERATIVE DRAFTING 1 Product GDR - CATIA - GENERATIVE DRAFTING 2 Product GDY - CATIA - GENERATIVE DYNAMIC RESPONSE ANALYSIS 2 Product GP1 - CATIA - GENERATIVE PART STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS 1 Product GPS - CATIA - GENERATIVE PART STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS 2 Product GS1 - CATIA - GENERATIVE SHAPE DESIGN 1 Product GSD - CATIA - GENERATIVE SHAPE DESIGN 2 Product GSO - CATIA - GENERATIVE SHAPE OPTIMIZER 2 Product HA1 - CATIA - HEALING ASSISTANT 1 Product HAA - HUMAN ACTIVITY ANALYSIS 2 Product HBR - HUMAN BUILDER 2 Product HGR - CATIA - HANGER DESIGN 2 Product HME - HUMAN MEASUREMENTS EDITOR 2 Product HPA - HUMAN POSTURE ANALYSIS 2 Product HVA - CATIA - HVAC DESIGN 2 Product HVD - CATIA - HVAC DIAGRAMS 2 Product ID1 - CATIA - INTERACTIVE DRAFTING 1 Product IG1 - CATIA - IGES INTERFACE 1 Product IMA - CATIA - Imagine & Shape 2 Product KE1 - CATIA - KNOWLEDGE EXPERT 1 Product KIN - DMU KINEMATICS SIMULATOR 2 Product KT1 - CATIA - PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE TEMPLATE 1 Product KWA - CATIA - KNOWLEDGE ADVISOR 2 Product KWE - CATIA - KNOWLEDGE EXPERT 2 Product LG1 - CATIA - LATHE MACHINING 1 Product LMG - CATIA - LATHE MACHINING 2 Product LO1 - CATIA - 2D LAYOUT for 3D DESIGN 1 Product MLG - MULTI-SLIDE LATHE MACHINING 2 Product MMG - CATIA - MULTI-AXIS SURFACE MACHINING 2 Product MPA - CATIA - PRISMATIC MACHINING PREPARATION ASSISTANT 2 PRODUCT MPG - CATIA - Multi-pocket Machining 2 Product MTD - CATIA - MOLD TOOLING DESIGN 2 Product NCG - CATIA - NC MANUFACTURING REVIEW 2 Product NG1 - CATIA - NC MANUFACTURING REVIEW 1 Product NVG - 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CATIA - SHEETMETAL PRODUCTION 1 Product SM1 - CATIA - SHEETMETAL DESIGN 1 Product SMD - CATIA - SHEETMETAL DESIGN 2 Product SMG - CATIA - 3 AXIS SURFACE MACHINING 2 Product SP1 - DMU SPACE ANALYSIS 1 Product SPA - DMU SPACE ANALYSIS 2 Product SPE - CATIA - DMU SPACE ENGINEERING ASSISTANT 2 Product SPL - CATIA STRUCTURE PRELIMINARY LAYOUT 2 Product SR1 - CATIA - STRUCTURE DESIGN 1 Product SRT - CATIA - SYSTEMS ROUTING 1 Product SSR - CATIA - SYSTEMS SPACE RESERVATION 2 Product ST1 - CATIA - STEP CORE INTERFACE 1 Product STC - CATIA - STRIM/STYLER TO CATIA INTERFACE 2 Product STL - CATIA - STL RAPID PROTOTYPING 2 Product TG1 - CATIA - TOOLING DESIGN 1 Product TL1 - CATIA - STL RAPID PROTOTYPING 1 Product TUB - CATIA - TUBING DESIGN 2 Product TUD - CATIA - TUBING DIAGRAMS 2 Product WAV - CATIA - WAVE GUIDE DESIGN 2 Product WD1 - CATIA - WELD DESIGN 1 Product WGD - CATIA - Waveguide Diagrams 2 Product WS1 - CATIA - WIREFRAME & SURFACE 1 Product
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:31:02 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
Toyota, Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Honda
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Sony, Airbus, Boeing,
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CIMData charges CADCAM companies to review their products. They are by no means objective or accurate. Occasionally a CADCAM company might provide Alan Christman / CIMData with some interesting info about their product but it's rare.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
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Cliff wrote:

BAE is running CADDS
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kinzie wrote:

I didn't know that Bill. I wonder how well the integration is, not that that would be a real issue.

All of the A380 stuff I worked on was CADDS and CATIA. Haven't done anything more recent than that.
Get this, LMSSC up in Sunnyvale is using Ideas. LOL
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CIMdata Equals-> Lots of smoke, many mirrors, light only when a CADCAM company decides to *pay* Alan Christman and CIMdata and give him some honest information.
Investigative, objective, honest reporting from Alan Christman / CIMdata... not a chance.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:23:56 -0500, F. George McDuffee

Started in aerospace.

Dassault Systems is a separate publicly traded corporation.

Some major players in auto, aerospace and other industries use CATIA.
(Similar to UG the average customer is more than 100 seats)

History:
http://www.3ds.com/corporate/about-us/group-profile/history /
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CIMdata Equals-> Lots of smoke, many mirrors, light only when a CADCAM company decides to *pay* Alan Christman and CIMdata and give him some honest information.
Investigative, objective, honest reporting from Alan Christman / CIMdata... not a chance.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
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