China mold shop spam getting out of hand

I made a few postings to some of these groups looking for some help. My

problem is not with the help I got from these groups( it was generally quite good) but from the amount of spam I now get from Chineese mold makers now. If most of the work is already going to China. Why do they continually need to cheat? Does anyone really answer this spam? It alway seems to come from a female (which I doubt really is) with an American sounding first name. They seem to have no problems getting past my spam blocker. I'll get several e-mail from the same company they just change the female first name. The message is alway in broken english. Why isn't there a backlash against these firms. They seem to cheat on so many levels, currency manipulation and intellectuall property stealing. My customers would drop me in a second if they thought I was not conducting myself in anyway that was not above board.

My quality has to be perfect, they want you to be ISO QS 9000 certified, and I forced to jump through all these hoops. Is the rule that as long as your the cheapest anything goes? Many of my customers tell me they are mandated to send a certain amount of work to China. Even if I can show them that is does not nessesarily make good economic

sense. They say their hands are tied. I'd love to hear some other thoughts on this.

Mark Reynaert, President Mark Mold and Engineering PO Box 407

773 W. Beamish Rd. Sanford, MI 48657 Phone or Fax 989-687-9786 snipped-for-privacy@aol.com MARK MOLD and ENGINEERING
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MrMold
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Mark, I get these Spam emails too. I use Thunderbird, I simply click to make an email filter and have their messages Marked as Read when downloaded. I don't feel like I am in competition with China at all. Chinese molds speak for themselves, cheap, cheap, cheap. In time this too will pass. I remind my customers that Chinese laws do not make these companies recognize US Trademarks, Intellectual Property or anything else that may be legal or illegal here in the States. I know of several companies who have had their entire product lines and designs stolen after being sent to overseas. The risk of losing all is theirs to take. If they choose to go "cheap" then I wish them well. The foundry I worked at for 18.5 years did exactly that, the front office bean counters pointed to the bottom line and saw nothing more but the gold star they could earn by finding a cheaper mold source. Those same *front office bean counters* are still unemployed today since making such shrewd suggestions, the company relocated the foundry there and laid these clowns off. They cut a deal with the devil and are paying for it now. The universe has a way of dealing with these types, eventually they too will be ground up and spit out... Michael

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Michael

Hello, MrMold! You wrote on 20 Jun 2006 09:25:06 -0700:

M> problem is not with the help I got from these groups( it was generally M> quite good) but from the amount of spam I now get from Chineese mold M> makers now. If most of the work is already going to China. Why do they M> continually need to cheat? Does anyone really answer this spam? It M> alway seems to come from a female (which I doubt really is) with an M> American sounding first name. They seem to have no problems getting M> past my spam blocker. I'll get several e-mail from the same company M> they just change the female first name. The message is alway in broken M> english. Why isn't there a backlash against these firms. They seem to M> cheat on so many levels, currency manipulation and intellectuall M> property stealing. My customers would drop me in a second if they M> thought I was not conducting myself in anyway that was not above board.

M> My quality has to be perfect, they want you to be ISO QS 9000 M> certified, and I forced to jump through all these hoops. Is the rule M> that as long as your the cheapest anything goes? Many of my customers M> tell me they are mandated to send a certain amount of work to China. M> Even if I can show them that is does not nessesarily make good economic

M> sense. They say their hands are tied. I'd love to hear some other M> thoughts on this.

If your ISO 9000 demanding customer is happy with the product from the "cheap Chinese shop", you must either lose this two faced customer, or accept that the Chinese shop might just also comply with ISO 9000!

Anyway, I would not be too concerned about the Chinese problem - a few years from now their general workers will also want the nicer things in life and that would bring a quick end to cheap labour.

The Chinese are seriously courting African countries now and investing billions (see latest offer to fully finance Zimbabwe's reconstruction, complete with currency swop!) This is going to be the next source of their cheap labour.

If this happens, rest assured - very few products will ever reach world markets. They'll either be destroyed in civil wars / never started due to corruption or stolen before leaving the factories.

Perhaps Western machinists / manufacturers should concentrate on satisfying a smaller, quality conscious, higher paying market rather than trying to compete at the bottom of the cesspool. There will always be products that have to be high quality and this is where the better machinists / manufacturers will thrive.

Haven't most of us learnt about buying the cheap crap and regretting it soon after. Let idiots continue to do so - it is an extension of the "Darwin principle". They will either progress to become a quality conscious client or continue being an idiot. I know which one I'd prefer as a customer. I love a market segment where price is of minor importance.

With best regards, mweb. E-mail: snipped-for-privacy@home.com

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mweb

If you're not smart enough to stop their spam, then you're probably not smart enough to compete with them either.

good luck (you'll need it),

K. Gringioni.

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kurgan

Well , Henry "Kurgan Gringioni" Chang I was smart enough to find out your real name, where you live, and several internet articles about you. One of them titled "Is Henry "Kurgan Gringioni" Chang RBR's biggest Dumbass?" all this in a matter of seconds. Oh, by the way the cycling world seems to love you and all your alias. Everyone do a little search and laugh this guy out of town. II may not smart enough to compete with the spammers. I'm plenty smart enough to compete with you.

Love Mark

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MrMold

That would be a good assumption.

This is a competition?

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thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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kurgan

Mark,

Never post your real name or email address on a newsgroup. You can get a yahoo or hotmail account and use that for the newsgroups. There are programs that go in and suck email address out of all newgroups and sold to spammers.

Good luck. What we need here is Machinists. The one most important thing any president could do is mandate that every school have a machine shop class a woodworking class and a autoshop. Pass a law against any lawsuits so liability can not be used as an excuse. Not everyone is cutout to work behind a desk. Now that I think about it maybe add a truck driving school to boot.

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Aluckyguess

Is that really such a good idea? It used to be a cutting edge technology, but no longer. It's a skill that can be learned and performed anywhere in the world. What the schools need to do is teach trades that can't be overseas-sourced (construction type trades) or prepare students for employment in more cutting edge industries like biotech.

That's a good idea.

Truck driving is one of those jobs that can't be overseas-sourced. Machining is.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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kurgan

Well, with guest workers.. ALL jobs are outsourced. There used to be good paying jobs here in my own state, in agriculture. Now, those jobs are held by low payed Mexican workers. Why? because people here won't do those jobs?? They sure used to! Now they can't afford to compete against "slave labor" rates.

Why would construction or truck driving be any different in a few years?

ALL jobs are possible to outsource. Pete

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Half-nutz

Education should be about making a life, not a living, although making a living is certainly a big part of life.

The actual job content of vocational training is not the important part.

The important part is "contextualizing" learning, i.e. answering the question "why do I need to know this? What good is it?"

Vocational Agriculture in the rural areas is also a good program for this.

We are turning the learning processes into a game of "academic trivial pursuit" and the students are staying away in droves. we have been through this before -- see 1890-1910, Snedden, Prosser, Willard and Dewey.

As far as jobs that can't be "overseas" sourced -- the problem is that if you can move the jobs to the cheap workers, you can always more the cheap workers to the jobs here. Construction is a prime example.

Unka George (George McDuffee)

There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with the "money touch," but with ideals which in their essence are merely those of so many glorified pawnbrokers.

Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919), U.S. Republican (later Progressive) politician, president. Letter, 15 Nov. 1913.

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F. George McDuffee

Not everyone is going to go to college. Lets teach these kids a trade. The basics is all I ask. I took a 4-h class in 4th grade on electronics. That class has helped me in life more than any history or English class. Ask someone what a diode is. As you can tell on my writing.

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Aluckyguess

Suggest think that one over again.

A very significant proportion of the semi-truck drivers working along the I-5 corridor happen to be either Mexician or Canadian nationals.

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PrecisionMechanicaL

Within seven years, Punta Colonet could be processing the equivalent of a million 20-foot-long containers annually, 6 million by 2025. TEU, or 20-foot equivalent units, is a standard measurement in the shipping industry to quantify container traffic. One 20-foot-long container equals one TEU, while one 40-foot-long container equals two.

The volume predicted for Colonet is comparable to that at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, which are the largest on North America's West Coast. Together, they handled $200 billion worth of cargo, or 13 million TEUs, last year.

Mexico's Punta Colonet project also would create a new city in Baja California.

The new megaships are so large, with containers stacked 18 wide across their decks, that loading and unloading one can take up to three days, even with the fastest available cranes.

They're far too big to fit through the Panama Canal, and they ride so deep in the water that they can't be handled at several West Coast ports, including the Port of San Diego, which is not deep enough to handle the full range of current cargo ships.

Wait until this gets into full swing, not to mention loss of revenue for California.

Trucks from Hell.........

Best Daveb

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Anonymous

The politicians have taken care that their jobs are legally protected from outsourcing and/or being filled by illegal immigrants.

Unka George (George McDuffee)

There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with the "money touch," but with ideals which in their essence are merely those of so many glorified pawnbrokers.

Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919), U.S. Republican (later Progressive) politician, president. Letter, 15 Nov. 1913.

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F. George McDuffee

The bastards send it as a GIF but in text ... how the hell do yo filter it?

generations;

glorified pawnbrokers.

politician, president. Letter, 15 Nov. 1913.

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cncfixxer

I use an older version for Forte Agent and only post in plain ascii...

GmcD

Unka George (George McDuffee)

There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with the "money touch," but with ideals which in their essence are merely those of so many glorified pawnbrokers.

Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919), U.S. Republican (later Progressive) politician, president. Letter, 15 Nov. 1913.

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F. George McDuffee

Don't forget the SS worries, & health care.

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Why

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