NEC requires an electrical disconnect at the service entrance to an
outbuilding when fed from a main located elsewhere on the property. In
addition to the two hots, the subpanel in the separate structure need
to have the neutral and the ground also connected to the main panel (in
most areas of the US this means whether or not you have a separate
grounding point for the subpanel).
Now here's my question. In the newest NEC book from 2005 there is some
screwy language about being able to disconnect all of the wiring at the
mechanical disconnect.
What's up with this portion? Do I need a better translator? I checked
my reading glasses.
NEC requires an electrical disconnect at the service entrance to an
outbuilding when fed from a main located elsewhere on the property. In
addition to the two hots, the subpanel in the separate structure need
to have the neutral and the ground also connected to the main panel (in
most areas of the US this means whether or not you have a separate
grounding point for the subpanel).
Now here's my question. In the newest NEC book from 2005 there is some
screwy language about being able to disconnect all of the wiring at the
mechanical disconnect.
What's up with this portion? Do I need a better translator? I checked
my reading glasses.
"neutral and ground" Just what are you referring to? A "ground" is
defined in the NEC as a conducting connection, whether intentional or
accidental, between an electrical circuit or equipment and
the earth or to some conducting body that serves in place of
the earth..
Your terms are so vague that your question cannot be answered.
Not really. Feeding a sub-panel from a main panel, you must isolate the
'ground' bus (the one for all the "equipment grounding conductors") from the
neutral bus in the sub-panel. So for a residential setup, that means four
wires need to be run from the main panel to the sub-panel, two hots, a
neutral wire from the main panel's neutral bus the the sub-panel's neutral
bus, and a 'ground wire' from the main panel's ground bus to the sub-panel's
ground bus to connect all the equipment grounding conductors in the
sub-panel to the main-panel.
In older versions of the NEC it was acceptable to have a disconnect that
'disconnected' the two hots and the neutral (i.e. a three-pole switch) and
not 'disconnect' the ground connection between the two panel's ground
busses. So even when the disconnect was open, all the EGC in the sub-panel
circuits were still connected to the ground bus in the main panel and its
earth ground.
The OP seems to have read some language in the 2005 NEC that suggests to him
that *all* conductors between the main panel and the sub-panel be
'disconnected' by any disconnect device. Opening the conductor between the
two 'ground' busses would mean that all the 'equipment-grounding conductors'
fed from the sub-panel would be open-circuit. Seems a tad over-kill, but
since there is no other power in the outbuilding, it's not particularly
dangerous. (but now you would need a four-pole disconnect switch).
To rephrase his question, "Does the 2005 NEC require that the equipment
grounding conductors in a sub-panel in an out-building be separated from the
main panel's equipment grounding conductors with the aforementioned required
disconnect?" If so, why?
daestrom
There are still circumstances where you can run a 3 wire feeder and
reground the neutral in a sub panel in a separate building (no other
metalic paths between buildings). That language is scheduled to go
away in 2008.
But what about the OP's question? When a four wire feeder is dictated, does
the disconnect now have to isolate the ground as well as two hots and
neutral? Seems like a 'bad idea', especially if there is some other metalic
path. Keeping the EGC / bonding in tact as much as possible would be
preferable wouldn't it?
daestrom
Yup I agree
This is not new language, it first showed up in the 1999 but the
original propoasl was from the 1995 ROP and I don't have that handy to
see the thinking..
Bear in mind 2 things. It is not binding on a residential shed or
garage and the means to disconnect the groundED conductor can be the
neutral bus bar in the disconnect enclosure
This does not affect the groundING conductor at all.
225.38(C) Disconnection of Grounded Conductor. Where the building or
structure disconnecting means does not disconnect the grounded
conductor from the grounded conductors in the building or structure
wiring, other means shall be provided for this purpose at the location
of disconnecting means. A terminal or bus to which all grounded
conductors can be attached by means of pressure connectors shall be
permitted for this purpose.
So, if I understand this, the neutral (groundED conductor) doesn't have to
go through a disconnect switch contact. The 'disconnect' switch can simply
switch the two 'hots'? The neutral (groundED conductor) can be 'provided'
with 'other means' by simply having the "goes in" and "goes out" terminate
in a bus with screw connections? A 'straight-thru' neutral (groundED
conductor) would *not* be allowed as there is no way to disconnect it with
"means of pressure connectors".
Is the same true for the 'ground wire' (i.e. the groundING conductor)? It
doesn't have to be a pole on the disconnect switch, but can merely have a
"terminal or bus to which [groundING] conductors can be attached by means of
pressure connectors...."?? Just no 'straight-thru' conductors? This would
make sense.
If so, then a two pole disconnect switch with two other 'terminal or buses
with pressure connectors' would be acceptable? The two poles for the
UNgroundED conductors, one 'terminal or bus' for the groundED conductor, and
another (isolated from the first) for the groundING conductor.
Thanks, some people learn something new every day...
daestrom
I popped this up on some inspector boards and the answer is they want
a place to break the neutral to test for ground faults. This language
is also in the "service" article 230. It is not meant as a user
disconnect.
If the system uses conduit, "ET", or "flex", there may be no [groundING]
conductor in the form of a wire. The conduit or flex *is* the grounding
device.
The grounding extends through the entire system. The point of
disconnecting the neutral it to be able to check for unintended
grounding of this conductor.
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