Old cables w/new sub-panel?

New sub-panel about to go in. Most of the circuits (they're all 2-wire) use 50-year-old cloth-and-rubber covered "romex" which is brittle, now.
Is there any exception in the NEC that allows the use of a bushing or such and not a 2-screw clamp to hold the cable where it enters the sub-panel enclosure? This old stuff needs gentle treatment...
Would use of such bushings ever likely pass inspection?
Thanks, JJ
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| New sub-panel about to go in. Most of the circuits (they're all 2-wire) use | 50-year-old cloth-and-rubber covered "romex" which is brittle, now. | | Is there any exception in the NEC that allows the use of a bushing or such | and not a 2-screw clamp to hold the cable where it enters the sub-panel | enclosure? This old stuff needs gentle treatment... | | Would use of such bushings ever likely pass inspection?
I hope you are putting all those old circuit on arc-fault breakers.
Sorry, I don't know about the bushings issue.
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JoJo wrote:

Hope you have good home owners insurance..
Last time I checked, it's illegal to run old clothe wire in a new panel/subpanel. It has to be joined out side with the proper wire coming out of the box..
And in this local ordinance, if you perform any upgrades to the system on the feeders or sub's, all circuits connecting to it also must be replaced or in order with the rules of the L1,N and ground. et.
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Got a reference to that in the NEC?
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In alt.engineering.electrical Jamie
| JoJo wrote: | |> New sub-panel about to go in. Most of the circuits (they're all 2-wire) use |> 50-year-old cloth-and-rubber covered "romex" which is brittle, now. |> |> Is there any exception in the NEC that allows the use of a bushing or such |> and not a 2-screw clamp to hold the cable where it enters the sub-panel |> enclosure? This old stuff needs gentle treatment... |> |> Would use of such bushings ever likely pass inspection? |> |> Thanks, |> JJ |> | Hope you have good home owners insurance.. | | Last time I checked, it's illegal to run old clothe wire | in a new panel/subpanel. It has to be joined out side with | the proper wire coming out of the box..
So you would have the new and old wire joined _outside_ of a box?
| And in this local ordinance, if you perform any upgrades to | the system on the feeders or sub's, all circuits connecting to | it also must be replaced or in order with the rules of | the L1,N and ground. et.
So in your local jurisdiction, they make it impractical to incrementally make electrical improvements, forcing everyone to choose between all or nothing? Someone with only $1000 to spend per year upgrading their home wiring will just have to live with a situation that stays fully dangerous until they save those $1000 per year to the point of being able to do the whole upgrade all at once?
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snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net wrote:

If you don't have local ordinance issues like here, you bring new wire out and lead it to a existing older junction box where you then bond it to the clothe wire.. You do not disturb the old wire.. In many cases, this was ok if the clothe was the old BX, the armor was thus ground connected. Still not a good idea to depend on as a ground. the BX is also outlawed now.. You can use MC, or Green Field in enclosed or unreachable area's only now.. The MC has a copper filament in it to help reduce the effects of what happen to the old BX wire years ago. that caused lots of fires with old clothe wire in armor coil when the cloth insulation started to dry up. The coil use to vibrate when it got loose, also, if you have a loose connector fitting and some bad appliance on that circuit, the coil could heat up! oh well.

Yes, when it comes to clothe wrap and knob wire yes, If you disturb the wiring due to upgrades, you are to replace it. of course, you can do this with no permit and they wouldn't know.
This only applies if you live in a city like I do. The fire marshal has their own codes you must adhere by. All of this gets things in motion as soon as a permit for upgrades is issued around here.
In my own home, I do have old clothe wrapped wire for lighting only, I still have a couple of rungs of knob wire on the beam in the basement how ever, these are not directly connected in my panel when the service was upgraded years ago. As for the rest of the home, our insurance company forced us years ago to upgrade all the outlets and old wire with the acception of lighting circuits.
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On Dec 10, 5:08 am, Jamie

A recent fire in this city was the fourth in that residence, an old one, in 17 years. This most recent fire caused damage to two living units. Fortunately no deaths. Investigations indicate that it was an electtrical fire one wonders what condition the wiring is in and the judgement good or poor of the users? Not too long ago another fire did kill somebody, even with smoke alarms etc. one might not escape especially from one of these older homes?
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use s/o cord strain relief at box, insulated staples outside
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IMO this question would get a better answer on < alt.home.repair > news group.
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TO SAVE YOU MONEY ON REPAIR OF RH SHEATHED CABLE US SHRINK TUBE OR SAY FOR # 14-USE #12 THHWN AS SLIP SAME AS SHRINK TUBE BE GENTLE AND TAKE YOUR TIME.
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In alt.engineering.electrical snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
|> New sub-panel about to go in. Most of the circuits (they're all 2-wire) use |> 50-year-old cloth-and-rubber covered "romex" which is brittle, now. |> |> Is there any exception in the NEC that allows the use of a bushing or such |> and not a 2-screw clamp to hold the cable where it enters the sub-panel |> enclosure? This old stuff needs gentle treatment... |> |> Would use of such bushings ever likely pass inspection? |> |> Thanks, |> JJ | | TO SAVE YOU MONEY ON REPAIR OF RH SHEATHED CABLE US SHRINK TUBE OR | SAY FOR # 14-USE #12 THHWN AS SLIP SAME AS SHRINK TUBE BE GENTLE AND | TAKE YOUR TIME.
And if you do this often enough, and save enough money, you can buy yourself a caps-unlock key.
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