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uMM, no offense meant, but your advice to use PP, FP et al is off base. On top of that, you've gone way beyond the OP's questions
in techinicality that, from the sound of his post, he can understand. That's not very helpful.
FYI, I just created a 3-line, single page, PP html file. It has as a title, "PowerPoint Title" and under that "Subtitle". I added one note to it that says "This is PowerPoint." That's it, nothing else. It occupies 39.6k of disk space. And is full of bloat. Try to "clean" that code, and you'll break the page display unless you know exactly what your'e doing.
Using NVU, the same exact screen display requires 2k of disk space. Hand coding it, I used 1.4k of disk space, less than a cluster size, to create the same exact screen. Guess what the difference is between PP's output and the others? Yup: you're right. Check the source code I pasted to the end of this email and you can see for yourself. PP writes a LOT of code that's just not needed for a web page: Because, like Word, it's NOT intended to write web pages. ALL the MS software is targetted the same way.
Other things you said that I have an issue with: IE only. YOUR empirical results aren't EVERYone's empirical results. Allowing code to be "broken" for Netscape is really bad design. About the ONLY problem Netscape will have is maybe some of the centering commands won't work, unless you're getting too fancy with your layouts. Then you say to use Compoer (Netscape), but only design for IE? Huh? Composer is OK for a complete newbie, and a good learning tool, but it quickly becomes very limited in what it can do. It's just not a good authoring tool. NVU would be much better, in fact, and even with its bugs runs circles around Composer, plus can handle SS well. If you're really only designing for IE and ignoring Netscape, then guess WHY your empirical data is showing only IE users?
You seem to think it's hard to stay compatible. It is not. It's actually pretty easy if you just learn a few things you need to know and are readily available to you in any search engine. It's also no bif deal to have IE, Netscape and a FireFox or two sitting around for verification purposes, too, if you really want first hand knowledge and aren't too lazy to go after it. But, you've spent so many thousands of hours at coding, you surely must know all that, don't You? Don't you?
A lot of the other stuff you said just sounds like you're parroting a tutorial you found somewhere.
Sorry - posts like that go a long ways to get ; nowhere.
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:I created electrician.com about 8 years ago and have created about : 8,000 web pages. : I use a combination of software. For raw editing - UltraEdit is the : best, but notepad is ok. : For web pages use FrontPage 2003. Be sure an anchor your illustrations : in absolute mode with the anchor button. : DO NOT use Microsoft Word to create web pages. It creates a monster : that cannot be raw editied in code. : If you are short on cash Netscape's composer that comes with Netscape : for free (look under the windows menu) is ok. : For fast illustrations and a really nice format I use PowerPoint. It : builds great web pages with all your illustrations and uses the same : illustration tools available in Frontpage. The PowerPoint pages are : also readily viewed in the IE browser in full screen mode permitting a : ready built online slide presentation. Take a look at my NEC code : change courses at electrician.com. : For Webmenu I use Webmenu. : For graphics design that I can't do in FrontPage or PowerPoint I use : PaintShop Pro and Adobe Illustrator. : Many times I perform minor editing of pages in the view mode when using : my FTP CUTE for uploading using notepad. : For Internet multimedia I use Windows Movie Maker - and I have and have : tried just about all of them including Adobe Premier. : To get people to your site you have to have something they need and : use. For civil engineering I would create and allow the free use of : many calculators written in JavaScript. JavaScript is a powerful : programming language with many objects such as scroll windows, check : boxes, radio buttons, and popups already built in. It allows you to : concentrate on the gut program and not have to waste time building the : common objects. : One more thing, Compatibility. : Netscape, FireFox, Opera - Forget them. 98 per cent of the users use : IE 5.0 or better according to my stat program webstat. You can spend : hours and weeks trying to stay compatible. Forget it. IE displays : advanced features of the Windows platform and is the only way to go. : PowerPoint pages will not display correctly in Netscape. : You will also need time to learn all this - I would say at least 500 : hours. I have probably spent at least 10,000 hours in his field and : stayed up all night many times. It is convenient to have an almost : insane drive and a very tolerable wife to do this work. :
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Hey, I am just giving some advice from my learning file. I look for maximum output for time spent. PowerPoint is a mean machine. When you have to turn out 330 illustrations in 330 pages for an immediate market, you don't have a lot of time to question whether or not people like Microsoft or Unix or lunix or Macs. PowerPoint works fine for me. As far as file size, you sound like you are back in the early 90's. Your file size comparisons don't mean a lot when users are on DSL and stroage is so inexpensive. I should have added the gentleman needs to learn HTML and CSS. He also needs a good ISP. I have found Powweb to be the best. They use a Unix system and offer 12 gigabytes of storage and 10 gigabytes of daily data transfer at $7.77 a month. There tech support is excellent and their control panel is one of the best. You can set up your own email accounts, etc. They also allow you to run Perl scripts from anywhere in your site. I have used 4 other ISP's and used 9 ISP's for connections. I tried Powweb for almost a year before I would trust them, because I could not believe their prices. But they are real and are the best for me. As far as hackers - the best way to avoid them is to not post in newsgroups. You probably will not see anymore of my posts for another year or so.
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I really aim at designing a website and having an ISP (if that is right) host it when I've sent it off to them.

I ran Linux for twelve months on an IBM laptop I had, but the IBM eventually died, Something to do with a dislodged graphics chip.
I use a Toshiba Laptop right now and by all accounts to date it does not have the facility to enable the install and running of a Unix OSS. (I used Mandrake, Rehat and Suse from time to time and I found Mandrake the best).
Does anyone know if it IS possible to install a Unix suite on a newish Toshiba Equium?
I believe IBM began producing their machines Unix compatible from 2000, there are hardware problems with other machines. Even the IBM I ran had modem problems which were time consuming, although not impossible, to resolve.
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