Plug Pulling Of Business Style Doors

glass door, the bolt swings OUT from the edge..

the lock is NOT 'pullable' as I am reading your description, and past that, since the owner does NOT have keys, then UNFORTUNATELY, will say call for some help- a locksmith. and I will NOT say HOW to get them out..but they are removable. --Shiva--

As someone who used to work for a commercial real estate development company it sounds to me like your friend needs to add a clause or two into his lease agreement contracts to include the surrender of all keys when the tenant vacates. He should be very clear in that all doors in the tenant space are to be keyed by the tenant and as such they are responsible to see that the landlord has full access when they leave. He could put text into the contract that would make the vacating tenant responsible for locksmith bills if they don't leave all of the keys.

Practice picking, some locks are harder to pick than others...

I am still vague on your concept of "pulling the plugs" could you describe this procedure in another post ???

Yep. They sound a lot like the typical storefront system doors equipped with an Adams Rite lock...

That would be a defeating instruction, No one here will tell you how to do that on the group...

Why are you trying to "pull the plugs" out of these locks to begin with... After reading you use that phrase FIVE times now the only thing I can possibly think you are referring to is forcibly yanking the mortise cylinder out of the lock... That is NOT the way to show your skill in opening a lock you don't have a key for... Since you are drilling to install screws in which to "pull the plug" out with, why not learn by trial and error where and how to drill on the cylinder so you can open the door and take the lock apart and ONLY destroy the cylinder... "Pulling the plug" sounds like it does a lot of damage to both the lock body and the door itself...

Evan, ~~ formerly a maintenance man, now a college student

if when the inside thumb-turn is turned, and the bolt projects upward from the bottom- then remove the 2 maybe 3 phillips screws that hold the cover on and then you will see a small slotted setscrew, should be centered with the cylinder- turn that 3 or 4 turns and then- you will be able to pull (unscrew) the cylinder from the front of the door.

Some doors have a full edge- with 6 maybe 8 screws holding a covering on- same thing, remove and you will see a small setscrew holding the cylinder.

am ASSUMING.. the doors ARE locked, and EITHER they are on the OUTSIDE, or are inside and it has a key BOTH sides.. now, for ME... sorry, NOT knowing the folks, WONT say how to get through.

--Shiva--

If I understand you correctly, you want to "pull" the plug (smaller part where the key goes) out of the cylinder itself to gain entry.

If you try what I think you are talking about...

1) WHY???

2) Have the number of a glass company handy. There's a good chance that the glass will go before the lock.

3) If you were lucky enough to get the plug to come out before the glass breaks (BTW - There's more to it than just running a screw in and yanking the plug out) the cam will fall into the lock - probably jamming it up. Then you'll be in a world of trouble trying to get the cam out of the way so you can open the lock.

Either pick it or - like Shiva said - call a locksmith

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Dude ya cant just pull out pin tumbler plugs. Maybe like the whole lock but not on the type door youre talkin about. Drill the lock out. Drill straight back through the pins right below where the plug and clyinder come together. Once you drill through the last one turn the plug. If the lock is hardened that aint gonna work. If theres no collar on the lock then lock a big ole pair o vise grips down on the bitch and reef on it. Bust off the set screw and the whole thing turns and unlocks the door. If there is a collar since you aint on the prowl and can be there legit weld the collar to the lock cyl then reef on the whole damn thing and it'll do the same thing. Some times if ya use the really big vise grips and really reef down on um when ya lock em you can crush the collar so ya aint gotta weld it to the lock.

Look on em dude whats the name?

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"Will Watts" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com wrote in an irresponsible message news: snipped-for-privacy@post.usenet.com...

Great! Another troll.

Please, nobody try to tell this guy not to post bypass information here. He ain't gonna get it and it's just going to take us down a road we've been down too many times already.

Some people have no conscience. Let's just learn to live with that.

information here. He

road we've been

with that.

I hear ya Bob. This group is sure changing. It used to be a great group before all the trolls.

I know that some trolls followed me over here from the motorcycle groups. I apologize to the regulars around here for that happening. I also believe that you and the other regulars know that I have tried to respect the professionalism of this group.

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"Bob DeWeese, CML" ( snipped-for-privacy@forme.com) writes: Ottawa Canada

Well Will Watts just gave out cylinder drillout information. What you going to do about it? This group is not moderated so anyone can jollywell post anything they darn well want whenever they want!

Frankly if the guy with the doors in the commercial building didn't get them open in a day or so, he needs to buy himself either a brick or a good sledge hammer.

He already said the doors were glass and were to be replaced anyway, so you don't need to be a rocket scientist to get through a glass door in more than about five seconds!

Brian

wrote in an irresponsible message > news: snipped-for-privacy@post.usenet.com...

Nothing

Unfortunately, very true

Point is... posting bypass information here is frowned upon by most of the regulars. You would think people who "pop in" now and then would respect that, but we live in a day and age were respect has become an endangered species.

The fact is, people come here and don't give a darned about what others think. They feel that they can do what they want whenever and where ever the want simply because they want. That feeling usually applies to the rest of their life (in the real world). It's all about them.

The world if full of self absorbed people who have no respect for the wishes of others. It usually (but not always) is attributed to up-bringing. We will never change these people. Only they can change and if they have no motivation to change they will go through life with the opinion that life is all about them.

Personally, I try to put others first in all that I do. Perhaps that's a concept that many can't grasp, but there is always hope.

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anyone can jollywell

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uhhh? hello ! I guess you believe you can "jollywell" trust "anyone" with the information. why don't you just post your address so "anyone" reading this group can stop by your place and try the info out ?

At some point of basic knowledge - I don't consider it "bypass information" any longer. Even, "Don't use an ordinary hardware store chain to secure your bike because simple bolt cutters or a hacksaw can get through it in a few seconds." might be considered "bypass information" by some people - and in a sense it is. But it is so basic that I can't imagine that refraining from posting that will save anyone's bike.

Ottawa Canada

Assuming the guy with the commercial building with glass doors he hasn't got a key to but has a legal right to get through isn't interested in calling in a qualified locksmith, his quickest and tidiest way to get past a two pane glass door is to have his glazier friend cut a nice, neat, tidy, access hole, in the lower pane of the door so the guy can enter the premises behind the door.

Since the door will be made of tempered glass, the glazier will need to know what he is doing to make a neat, tidy, clean, hole in the door.

If a glazier isn't readily available, just slam the glass panel with a 20 pound sledge hammer!

This technique may overstress the hinges, but if the door is to be replaced anyway, that is of little concern.

Of course he could always etch the glass with glass etching acid but this is messy and gives off nasty fumes.

My doors aren't glass and my hallway isn't wide enough for a ten-man battering ram attack and the neighbors even though they are sound sleepers, would be awakened by the sound of a 20 pound sledge hammer on my doors.

Of course the guy could go visit a well stocked public library and read over some of their books about locksmithing or go in through the window by the fire escape.

There is also the technique of using glass cutting equipment to cut through the pane.

However sledge hammering a glass door is a great way towork off frustreations and a lot of fun as it isn't something you get asked to do very often.

If the guy were to read over even a basic lock book, he would know why he doesn't want to try opening the lock by yanking the plug out of it.

The landlord should just call in his friendly local locksmith he deals with for routine mainteneance work, get the door opened professionally and send the ex-tenent the bill for getting in if he has a clause in his leases rtequiring tenents to give him a key to all doors on the rented premises.

Glass doors really aren[t all that secure when you get down to it.

Brian

Is this a joke? If he is too tight to hire a locksmith, then he is surely too tight to hire a glazier. Why go to the bother of hiring a glazier who is going to permanently damage the door when a locksmith will either do a 'clean' opening or at the worst damage the cylinder (e.g. if it is a Medeco or other hard or impossible to pick type) which is easily replaced anyway.

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Dude what people like you need to learn is that there is like no such thing as security by obscurity. Security by obscurity is why there are a boatload of totally pissed bike riders who now know what I've known for like a long time. Their locks are total crap. The people without any consience are the dudes that try to keep this stuff secret. As far as bein a troll I could care less what ya think. The Keyfool already lost one argument with me and all he had ta do was just admit he was wrong. Instead he covers his ears and goess nanananana I cant hear you troll troll troll.

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Ya don't mean before the trolls dude. Ya mean when you could say whatever BS ya wanted and nobodyd call ya on it.

Well dude what about you is it ya think pisses people off so much that they follow ya around and dog ya out?

Maybe that ya run your mouth before ya even read what your responding on? Maybe that ya cant admit when your wrong? Maybe that ya spend all yer time tellin other dudes what to do?

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Dude people with your attitude are the problem. People like you are why shit gets boosted everyday by people who already know all about what ya try and keep a secret. The only dudes it's secret too are the ones usin the locks. No reason ta respect dicredited BS like security by obscurity.

Dude your projecting. All that you said applies to you dudes selfish need to keep how easy it is to knock off most stuff from your customers.

Yeah dude we can all like totally hope that you figure out that security through obscurity aint any kinda security.

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Dude thats just more smoke from ya. It doesn't do anybody any good for me to post my address. If people know their security is weak then they have a responsability ta make it better. If they dont know it dont help cause everybody lookin to beat it knows anyway. I know though dude. Ya dont get it. Even with the bike lock thread that you made a jerk outta yourself on ya still cant put it together.

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Sure there is! The real problem is that there are limits to it, and too often it has been used as a "cover" for weaknesses.

For some of them - note that this weakness is not found in all bike locks, not even in all bike locks of the Kryptonite brand.

Umm - this was discussed quite thoroughly a year or two ago (search for Matt Blaze) - and many of us discussed the balance between obscurity providing security and covering up for weaknesses. There was some concensus (maybe just a tiny bit :-) that the balance was different in the software world (computer security) and the physical security world (e.g. front door locks.)