wrong key inserted in lock

Depending on the cuts of the key and length of the pins.

Exactly...

Some of the pins are below the shear line. Some of the pins are partly above the shear line. In no case will all of the pins be above the shear line.

Sorry !!! hit that darn send too fast..

all three... just some below -A just some above -B just some both -C not all.... "Depending on the cuts of the key"

Second try:

Some of the pins are below the shear line. Some of the pins are partly above the shear line. In no case will all of the pins be above the shear line. In no case will any of the pins be above the shear line.

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????? If the correct key was all "deep cuts " and the "wrong key " was shallow cuts or even shallower cuts than the correct key then you could have that situation.

ANY ???? see above and insert key with 1 shalow cut where the corret key has a deep cut

It would depend entirely on the keys and the pinning of the cylinder

Umm, Keyman, No you are wrong... The pin itself will never be raised above the shearline, the end of the pin can and may go above the shearline...

This looks like a discussion thta has stemmed from someone not clarifying what they meant or using bad terminology...

Afterall, it is physically impossible to raise a pin entirely above the shear line by means of using a key -- such a feat would require magic or a serious violation of the laws of conservation of matter...

Umm, No it wouldn't, while a bottom pin can be entirely below the shearline, it can never be raised entirely above it... Not with a key... See above...

Evan, ~~ formerly a maintenance man, now a college student...

????? If the correct key was all "deep cuts " and the "wrong key " was shallow cuts or even shallower cuts than the correct key then you could have that situation. CY: absoloutely not. You can't get the bottom pin above the shear line, even with a blank. And with a 9 bottom pin.

ANY ???? see above and insert key with 1 shalow cut where the corret key has a deep cut CY: That does NOT raise the bottom pin over the shear line.

It would depend entirely on the keys and the pinning of the cylinder CY: Roger Shoaf came up with one way to get the bottom pins over the shear line, but his example does not apply to a pinned cylinder with drivers and springs. And correctly assembled.

Umm, Keyman, No you are wrong... The pin itself will never be raised above the shearline, the end of the pin can and may go above the shearline... CY: About flipping time someone understood. Evan, you're the man.

This looks like a discussion thta has stemmed from someone not clarifying what they meant or using bad terminology...

Afterall, it is physically impossible to raise a pin entirely above the shear line by means of using a key -- such a feat would require magic or a serious violation of the laws of conservation of matter... CY: Right.

cylinder

Umm, No it wouldn't, while a bottom pin can be entirely below the shearline, it can never be raised entirely above it... Not with a key... See above... CY: If you had a Weiser cylinder with a wide open keyway, short pin, short driver, and a hook pick there is a chance you could do it. But not with a cut key or key blank.

Evan, ~~ formerly a maintenance man, now a college student... CY: And more observant than some locksmiths.

Ok ...if you mean the entire pin.. you are correct ... .

I don't think even the OP meant the entire pin... funny how differently things are taken by some :-)

my2¢

Well, that's what he wrote. I answered the question as written.

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-&spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8dFog.54680$ snipped-for-privacy@twister.nyroc.rr.com...

was agreeing with "Keyman55". also, when I said "taken by some", I wasn't referring to you "Stormin Mormon"

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