Help: Gear Disengagement

Jan 30, 2007 4 Replies

Hello and thank you for reading my message.



Has anyone seen or had any experience with gear disengagement? I have two gears on parallel shafts with involute tooth profiles that I want to disconnect while in rotation. I'd like to move them apart, radially from each other until they lose contact. The driving gear is about 6 inches in diameter, and the driven gear is about 3.5 inches. The width of both gears is 1.25 inches. They are both steel, but I don't know exactly the grade. The gear teeth are straight, not helical or beveled or anything unusual.



I'm worried most about tooth wear/breakage from doing this. Another concern is tooth alignment during stationary re-engagement. It is possible that during the disengagement, there could be as much as 200 ft-lbs of torque transmitted. Some wear is acceptable, however I don't want to replace the gears more frequently than once every year or two. Frequency of disengagment wouldn't be more than 3 times a day on average.



The setup is like this:



3HP Electric Motor > 16.8:1 Gearbox > 6" Gear > 3.5" Gear > Rollforming mill

The 6" gear is mounted directly to the output shaft of the gearbox. Ideally I would like to use an over running clutch, but space is very limited and I need to be able to jog the motor backwards. Due to the high torque and tight space, I have considered a tooth clutch, but I think it would be much cheaper to just disconnect the two gears directly.



This company sells over running clutches:

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Summary of question: How practical is direct gear disengagement? If you can, tell me about your experience, point me to a reference or show me a machine that uses this concept.



Thank you so much, I appreciate any help you can offer.


-Steve



Valid concerns. No answers but some thoughts. Look at how transfer cases in 4x4 vehicles for shift on the fly operate. Most have some sort of method, similar to a manual transmission to sync up the shafts before gears are pushed together. Can you remove the torque off the gear you are trying to move, such that it is just idling on the shaft before you try to move it? If you can idle it on and idle it off, can you not bevel the gears to help with alignment? It may be easier to just move the shaft the gear is on than to slide the gear on the shaft when under load. Are you sure that's not an option? What's the RPM of these gears at the time you want to disengage them?

Thanks Mike, good thoughts! It's actually kind of slow, @ 200 RPM. Also, at the time of disengagement, there should in theory be 0 torque transmitted. I know there will be some torque, and I only said 200 ft- lb because that would be the worst case scenario. During acceleration the torque will probably be around 200ft-lb, but once up to speed, and before disengagement, the inertia of the load should reduce the need for so much torque.

Oh - axial or radial separation would be options - whether sliding them apart along the shaft (gear fixed on shaft) or by increasing the distance between the shafts.

What you're thinking is an absolute disaster. Gear disengagement is always done with some sort of shaft coupling. Gears are never ever ever engaged radially and are rarely engaged axially. The only gears that will work by radial engagement are worm gears but you're still risking high stress concentrations on the teeth. It sounds like you need to let both gears spin each other and freewheel until needed. Meaning, lock one gear on a shaft when needed to transmit power. This was the whole idea of the snychromesh which eliminated de-clutching in automobiles.

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This is a really poor idea. Gears are ratio and direction changes, not for power interruption. Use a clutch; that is what clutches are for. Your idea of disengaging/reengaging the gears to provide clutch action is just looking for trouble.

Dr. D.

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