A serious discussion about the need for more gun control

Since the United States is facing a recession then the recent increase in violent gun crimes could be drawn as a correlation which would indicate the need for increased gun control and possible a ban on certain kinds of guns. I think that we need to completely do away with handguns since they can be concealed, what possible reason could a person who obeys the law want with a concealed handgun? People who obey the law aren't trained like police, so it makes sense to get rid of the handguns so that no one hurts themselves trying to be a hero because a criminal enters the scene. It's the police's job to take care of criminals so lets leave the vigilante stuff to the comic books.

Also, semi-automatic rifles don't really have any use in hunting so there is little reason to keep those around since every time you hear about them in the news is when someone has gone crazy and used one that they have militarized with pistol grips and huge magazines to kill hundreds of people.

People should be looked at too, people who have had mental problems or depression don't need to have guns, people who have been charged with crimes should not have guns, at least not until they are proven innocent. This is about saving lives and we must all do our part.

Probably the worst argument I hear from the pro-gun lobby is that it is a god given right to bear arms. There is no god, so there is no inherent right. People need to understand that the American forefathers didn't intend for them to have guns unless they are in the army, thus the "well-regulated militia." Ask any atheist about the god argument, they will tell you, you cant use god in a U.S. court as an argument because there isn't one.

I know this is an emotional topic, I'm not trying to get people angry, these are just ideas that need to discussed. Besides, the people who get angry over words are the ones who need to be kept away from guns. I don't want someone close to me getting angry and having quick access to an illegal gun, I don't want to die and my family doesn't want to die either. Guns just don't make us safe they make life dangerous and people don't need that especially these days.

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I think Hillary would like to work in that area. Voter her in if you would like to ban guns.

Guns are a populations last line of defense.

Look at Afghanistan...they beat Russia with guns. And the US is still having trouble with 'the people' there from their guns.

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains. And go to your Gawd like a soldier" ~ Kipling

Let's look at what happens when a country has no guns.

Burma was a recent example of what happens.

A dictator comes to power with plenty of guns, but when it comes to the populace...they cannot be trusted with guns.

Besides, men need guns to occupy their destructive tendencies as hunters and warriors. If they didn't have their guns they would take it out on their wives.

Yes, men love their guns. just take a look at this thread to see some real beauties.

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This quote was attributed to George Washington but other authorities say it is a counterfeit quote. Whomever said it...is gospel.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon, and citizen's firearms are indelibly related.

From the moment the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands.

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.

When firearms, go all goes; we need them every hour."

Take care,

V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker Practical Philosopher Futurist Urban Homesteader Agnostic minister of secular humanism to the mind- manacled...spiritually sick...defiance based atheist. AA#2

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The real truth about you bloody gun-nuts right from the horses ass..err...mouth

Is it any wonder why we need to get the guns out of your hands when the truth about you gun-scum is posted here for all to witness?

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Roger Denney

Did you address his facts and forget to post them?

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Bob Brock

What "facts" would those be?

The fact that guns allow people to kill each other with the easy pull of a trigger finger on a weapon of mass-murder?

Or, are you referring to the "facts" presented by the National Right to Assassinations "facts" about firearms ?

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Roger Denney

I am 73 years old and live alone. for all of my life I have lived with firearms, and except for the 20 years in the Army I have never fired a gun in anger. BUT ! I will continue to keep firearms because it's the only way to be sure that when intruders enter my home I will be able to protect myself. Would you want me to accept just anyone coming into my home and doing anything they want ?

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2nd AMENDMENT FOOD FOR THOUGHT To all reading this.... I would rather be your friend, but if you are not interested in that, I am prepared to be a capable and efficient enemy.

This is the law: The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. Some words of wisdom:

  1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is to old to fight, he'll just kill you.
  2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
  3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy to carry.
  4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away. (Yep, time is some time, but shoot first, then call 911)
  5. A reporter did a human interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognize the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was as carrying and asked him : "Why do carry a .45?". The Ranger responded with, "Because they don't make a .46."
  6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.
  7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. "Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?" "NO Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle."
  8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!

To this I will add my comments. I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. To which I said I did. She said "well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!" To which I said, "of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets.." She then asked, "Are you that afraid of some one evil coming into your house?" My reply was,"No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching afire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and THEY ARE ALL LOADED!


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Well said. Bob

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Good call, this reminded me to check all the fire extinguishers...and unload, check and reload mags. I hope I don't ever need either but, better safe than sorry. Any time I've ever been asked if I had a gun in the house, I always reply negatively, I guess I'm just getting old and don't bother with antagonizing the idiots anymore.

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Tom Gardner

It's a "need to know" question that does not require an answer, truthful or otherwise, unless one feels compelled to swagger a bit, or perhaps share display of proudly-owned possessions to one who might appreciate them. A polite deflection is simply to respond by asking the asker about an interest of his or hers.

It will only be asked if the asker has been given reason to think you might.

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Don Foreman

I just stare for a moment, then grin.

The smart ones grin back, the dumb ones get confused.


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My friends don't have to ask, they have likely shot a few of them. For all others, I follow our governments policy concerning nuclear weapons on board ships at port. I neither confirm or deny.


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It's really none of their business.

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Stormin Mormon

Let me guess...the confused ones are all female?

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Tom Gardner

blink blink...Tommy Boyo..you evidently havent spent much time with Western country girls. They, for the most part..grin back.

It tends to be their clueless urban cousins, male and female, who tend to be confused. Hell..even country Democrats tend to grin. The few Token Liberals we keep around as an example for the kids, like chimps at the zoo...they sometimes frown...but then Libs always frown or go all wide eyed and scary when come thing gun related come up in conversation.

More than once, after a sucessful night trawling at a country bar..when the sun come up in the bedroom, scattered amongst our clothes on the floor, could be found my holster and hers.

Cleveland...ya really need to start hanging with a different state of people.....


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You know the kind of girl Gunner's talking about. They're the ones who think that watching professional wrestling is foreplay.

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

Assuming your all American, I feel kinda sorry for you, that you feel the need to carry arms. In Australia two types of people carry handguns - police and criminals. All forms of automatic weapons are banned since a little massacre in Tasmania 11 years ago, and an amnesty was declared and many hundreds of thousands of illegal firearms were handed in and disposed of. Still, not many in Australia think our gun control is too tight.

Don't get me wrong, I think guns are cool. I like them, don't own any and don't want to. I understand hunters, farmers, collectors, but its not necessary in Australia for citizens to arm themselves. Thats what the police are for. I think it is a sad state of affairs that American society has declined so much that you feel so threatened and carry weapons to defend yourself.

Not tryin to piss off anyone, just a comment.


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It is not that American society has declined. You have to remember that Amercian society has always had guns. The Minute men in Mass. used guns against the British.

Here criminals can not carry guns, but being criminals they tend to not obey the law. If someone is a law abiding citizen, what reason is there to prohibit them from carrying a gun. Sometimes I have been places and not seen a policeman. Even when I visited Syney, I was not always within sight of a policeman.

You also need to remember that there are some animals in the US that you don't have in Austrailia. In my county, we have coyotes, bear, and mountain lions. I have to admit I have only seen deer on my property, but someone took a picture of a bear in their backyard a couple of miles from my house.

Many years ago during lunch, my boss asked if I knew anywhere we could shoot varmits. He was from South Carolina and some of the good old boys there would go to the dump with flashlights and shoot rats at night. I told him that I understood there were some varmits at the Seabeck dump sometimes. He went on about the gun he had, a pump .22. Finally he asked me what kind of gun I had. I said I had a .270. He looked at me and asked if I didn't think that was kind of large to shoot varmits. I said I thought it might be good for one of us to have a larger gun. Then I explained that the varmits at the Seabeck dump were black bear.

Things have changed since then. Now there is a season on bear and you need a license.


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No, I wasn't disin' the girls I was dissin' you for bringing home the confused ones, I would!

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Tom Gardner

Point taken Dan, but I was referring to handguns. Surely a handgun would be innefective against a brown bear? There are plenty of farmers in Australia that carry firearms in thier vehicles, but they are shotguns and rifles. How many farmers do you know that would use a handgun to kull wild animals? Hand guns are most effective at killing humans at close range aren't they?

Your point about colonial history should be looked at a little closer as well. Australia's biggest folk hero was a man named "Ned Kelly". He was an Irishman who rose up against the British after the injustice and corruption his family experienced at the hands of the Victorian Mounted Police. He armed himself with pistols and iron body armor. He was finally captured after being shot many times during a seige in the town of Glenrowan. He was hanged in 1880. Despite the fact that Ned Kelly is probably Australias biggest folk hero, and from the sounds of things had similar ideals to your Minute Men, Australia today does not have a culture of armed citizens.

Control of handguns in Australia began in response to fears of communism in the '40's and '50's.

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