On Sun, 23 May 2004 22:52:03 -0700, michael brought forth from the murky depths:
AFAIK, that is the sole acceptable use for Wonder Bread according to the US Nutrition Council. ;)
Wad it into a ball, stuff it up the pipe, put 'em together, and solder to your heart's content!
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How?? Every professional plumber would like to know, I'm sure. I've seen some badly burned attempting it with some trapped water unbeknownst to them.
Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario.
Hey, there's the info I've always wanted. I had wondered what the reaction might be when no oxygen was present, and now I understand. Now, what is the REAL pressure level that acetylene will explode at? Or is it temperature dependent? The regulator gauge is redlned at
15 psi, but there is 150 psi gas upstream of the regulator before there's any liquid. It it something to do with pressure/temperature/impact risks to the hoses?Dan
15 PSI is where acetylene *CAN* start to break down. Not where acetylene *WILL FOR SURE* start to break down...
I've often wondered the same as you - "If 15 pounds is the "magic" number, why is it OK to have 10 times that between the "raw tank" side, and the "regulated hose" side?"
My theory is that it's partly the pressure, partly the quantity, and partly the lack of any significant "stimulation" - Above 15 pounds isn't neccesarily "kaboom" unless there's enough acetylene available to make it happen, and some external energy source (pressure, shock, heat) to trigger it.
Supposedly, it has something to do with the free volume at the 150 PSI. In other words, a whole tank of Acetylene at 150 PSI is a bomb, but a properly packed and acetone-saturated tank with just a little free volume right at the top is not. Don't ask me for the physics behind this, I don't know it.
Jon
All it takes is a drop or two of water in a pipe and no matter how much heat is apllied you usually windup badly oxidizing the pipe / fitting flux and just botching the entire job. Bread works great though! Visit my website:
Don't jump in my shit over it. I just questioned the veracity of the poster before me.
I did try it in an open vertical 1/2" pipe, 6" tall with 3" of water in it. It didn't work and there was no obvious safety issues in trying.
Fantastic! I had to watch it about 6 times, nearly ending up in a laughing seizure.
Encore! Encore!
Harry C.
This happened to my cousin and her huaband several years ago in the Dallas area. He'd borrowed an O-A rig from work to do some quick repairs at home. This was OK'ed by his boss. He was a manager, not a welder, but could weld. After he finished, he put both tanks in the trunk of his car, in their closed, attached garage. The water heater was also in the garage. Evidently the acetylene tank was leaking, or he hadn't gotten it shut-off completely. During the night they were violently awakened by the explosion. Fortunately, their bedrooms were on the opposite end of the house, and they got out. Part of the car was found across the street in their neighbors front yard. The roof had cedar shake shingles and went up like dry kindling. They got out, but there home, cars, and belongings were gone. Because he was relatively high in the company, they went after the tank supplier. In the end my cousin's husband got everything replaced that was replaceable.
On Mon, 24 May 2004 22:39:00 GMT, Ken Moffett vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email
And in Oz we are banning the sale of amm nitrate! Talk about knee-jerk political stunts!
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"Jon Elson" wrote: (clip) In other words, a whole tank of Acetylene at 150 PSI is a bomb, but a properly packed and acetone-saturated tank with just a little free volume right at the top is not. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^ Earlier on, someone gave a website regarding the safety of pressure cylinders, which contained the warning that DENTED acetylene cylinders are dangerous, because there can be a separation of the packing from the sidewall, so a potentially explosive small volume of undissolved acetylene can collect. This has been floating around in the hollows of my skull ever since. How can it be dangerous to have a little sliver of acetyleye gas along the sidewall of the tank, but totally safe to have acetylene at the same pressure on the high side of the regulator?
Maybe someone who is an expert on this can clarify.
Hi Nick, What are your farmers using for fertilizer?
Jim Kovar Vulcan, Mi
Explosive ratio of acet. is 3 to 83 % in air at atmospheric. IIRC.
John H.
On Tue, 25 May 2004 06:57:20 -0500, Jim Kovar vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email
DUUUUH! This is Govmint polisy man! Who cares?
The reply will probably be "dollars".
Seriously, the farmers have asked the same question. At present Amm Nitrate is till _sort_ of legal, with lots of talk of treating it as an explosive; licenses, storage etc. Trouble is, one company voluntarily withdrew its Amm Nitrate and farmers were asked to return their stocks. So we have a looming election and a company that stands to sell costlier fertilisers!
I do have to say that I was looking at possible ways to make a bomb using other means of getting O2 spread amongst fuel, with the idea of complaining about this daft idea. NH4NO3 (like other solid oxidisers) has a frightening amount of oxygen tied up in it per weight! I am not sure how much of this is available for conflagration, but even 1/4 of it is pretty scary.
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The one poster that posited, "more power" was correct.
If water is in the pipe it won't get above 212 deg F...... unless it is a closed system, in which case you will have superheated steam at, well, we'll use a 700 degree figure at about 3200 PSI.
The only way you are going to solder in a pipe with water in it is to boil the water out.... if you get the temperature of the pipe much above 800 degrees and water gets *back* to that point it will immediately flash into steam.... with literally explosive results. Try google and you can find some truly terrific boiler explosions...... hurling large parts for long distances...... and worse.
Safety issue? Duh!
Geeze, guys...... I was kidding......
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