*Another* machine for Harold!! :)

Gah! Looks like the previous owner was a slow learner!

To be fair to the mill, the starting price is far more reasonable than the Southbend.

Mark Rand RTFM

Hi Jim:

Look at this mill (URL above) ... how's THAT for a way to treat a machine. And they call it 'nice' shape! Bill must be spinning in his grave at the thought of it!

Dan Mitchell ============

Sorry guys, I hit the wrong address on my reply, and posted to the group instead of to my friend.

Dan Mitchell ============

Must be that the pile worms which used to eat away at the old wooden ships have mutated to eating metal due to high mercury content of the sea.

Koz

jim rozen wrote:

YEOW!!!

Get serious, Pete! One must learn something, * anything*, before it can be verified that there has been any learning at all.

AAaaaaauuuuuurrrrghhhhh! My Bridgeport, purchased new in '77, has yet to receive it's first tool mark.

How stupid must this individual be? The vast majority of anvils have received much kinder treatment, and that boggles the mind. Pass the South Bend--------it's looking better and better!

Harold

A little Bondo, a little gray paint, you've got a Babin special. Opps, shouldn't give him ideas.

That's the type of way I was thinking when I first saw it.

Reminds me of that customer with the rusty antique aircraft crank. I told him a good three times it was deader than dead and he still made me try to fix it. It looked like Swiss cheese or pox after the first clean up grind. Really it was kinda fun , not like I was gonna sweat getting it to pass.

I've seen worse though not on a milling machine. I wish I'd had a camera when I was at that auction. It was a really old flat belt drill press kind of like mine but bigger. The table was about 24" dia and there wasn't 0.001" of the original top surface of the table left. The whole thing had been drilled if not all the way through (though it was many times) it was drilled at least half way through. Anything ranging from 2" holes to small ones. The icing on the cake was the old Cinci milling machine vice that was bolted off to one side. It had holes all over it as well but the one I couldn't believe was the about 1 3/4" hole straight through the middle of the base going all the way through it and into the table (actually I can't remember for sure but it may of went all the way through the table).

That drill press had other things wrong as well. Apparently the taper had gotten messed up so the previous owner had welded a morse taper extension in place on the spindle.

When it sold I almost passed out from disbelief. It brought $1800. I couldn't believe it but then everything at that auction was well worn and bringing more than new price.

Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX

I'm actually very sensitive to this, because of the way folks here at our shop treat their machines. I was talking to one of the best toolmakers there (now retired) while we were doing so, he walked over to a bridgeport that another guy was working with.

He took the wrench off the table, went and said, "this used to be a nice place to work." The implication being that *any* steel item placed on a machine table or way was a transgression, no matter how marked up the table was in the first place.

Kind of like always washing your hands before eating or wiping your feet off before coming inside.

Jim

I have it on good authority (my friend Roy) that this machine comes from a Swiss cheese factory... You have to get those holes somehow!

Mark

But, but, but, aren't *we* your friends?

I've seen a couple drill presses where the tables had so many holes drilled clear through at the arc of the drill axis that the whole outer edge of the table fell off! Probably they got so weak that some jolt (dolt?) broke the remaining cast iron.

Dan Mitchell ============

Nope, The city they were in had a heavy machinery tax on machines over 4,000 pounds on account of the heavy machines push down the cement inside the building and screws up the side walk on the outside of the building.

The holes were drilled just prior to the assessor showing up with his scale.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:41:49 -0500, "Daniel A. Mitchell" calmly ranted:

Man, talk about either a bad machinist or a bad programmer! (or 20 years in a school, training twerps who don't want to learn) Ouch! And I doubt that 0.1" play can be adjusted out. It's probably wear. I'd be afraid of that machine. Too much to rework.

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It pretty much depends on if you want a mill or a centerpiece for your shop. Frankly as long as the table is flat (stone off the burrs) and it is tight enough...I dont give a rats ass how many holes are drilled in the top. They do collect swarf, shrug..and big ones may weaken the hold down clamping grooves..but.

The Laguns are decent mills. Damned decent in fact.

Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke