crock of .... moment welding

More on my point about absence of quality control - seemingly a totally similar instance in a totally independent other case.

"CMI Offshore told Scotland on Sunday that the yard – which is building two massively late and over-budget CalMac ferries – had 'extremely low productivity and quality control' and said much of the work on the barge had to be redone. One maritime source said: "If they can't build a steel box [the barge], they can't build a ferry.""

and again

"However, Richard Keisner, managing director of Mangistau ACV Solutions, part of CMI, said: 'Our experience at the ... shipyard was affected by a shortage of direct labour throughout, which seemed to move from one vessel under construction to another, which was combined with extremely low productivity and quality control.'"

I read that as being total lack of plan. I include absence of quality control in that characterisation.

Here in Britain we had in the 1960's "killed by accountants". W Edwards Deming was right - "Concentrate on costs and your costs will tend to rise. Concentrate on quality and your costs will tend to fall".

My own philosophy - "Costs are fairly immutable, and most efforts to trim one cost will cause other costs to spike, result nett worse-off. Profits are unbounded - they can be whatever you can make them - so the maximum effort needs to be on profits." For sure, very competent cost control is needed. That is part of the analytic one mind of a well run company.

So, as the world situation made life less easy for British manufacturing, bringing in accountants to run businesses lead to their rapid demise. Accounts see only incurred costs - not how to generate profits. That isn't part of their world and their ideology.

Having no quality control in a manufacturing environment, particularly with welding - well, it's difficult to make any helpful comment on this total absence of underdstanding and ability.

Regards, Rich Smith

More on my point about absence of quality control - seemingly a totally similar instance in a totally independent other case.

"CMI Offshore told Scotland on Sunday that the yard – which is building two massively late and over-budget CalMac ferries – had 'extremely low productivity and quality control' and said much of the work on the barge had to be redone. One maritime source said: "If they can't build a steel box [the barge], they can't build a ferry."" ...

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Elon Musk @elonmusk·May 6

"I strongly believe that all managers in a technical area must be technically excellent.

Managers in software must write great software or it’s like being a cavalry captain who can’t ride a horse!"

---------------- Governments must seek fairness, social equity, which is incompatible with personal excellence. That's why socialism always falls behind.

:-)

"What is needed is competent managers, skilled and experienced in managerial skills, and clear structures of management. It has been correctly realised that ..."

You could get slid out of the door on any of a range of substitute pretexts for saying what you have just said, surely?

The central tenet of management is that you must be managerial material (sic.), surely?

It looks here like hybrid systems work best - neither totally "the free market" nor "full equality under a state-owned socialist model".

By the way, our "free enterprise" railway system (we have a predominance of passenger trains for commuting) - sobering reality -

90+% of journeys are made with State national operators. As they cross-subsidise their own national operations by operating train services on the "privatised" British railway network. Most "train operating companies" are commercial arms of the European State railway companies. Oooops... The "optics" of that are not appealing with skyrocketing train fares to pay.

On health care though, "our" National Health Service system, apparently the statement that we get twice as much for half as much only needs qualifying in that it seems the advantage is significantly above 4-fold. Yes private providers are not excluded and a useful number of good quality operations and the like are "purchased" by the NHS.

There's a lot of quite right-wing people who still believe it's "the system" which delivers. There's a lot of quite left-wing people who hold that it is the individual who delivers.

Your example. Greater influence seems to have been the World War 2 De Havilland Mosquito. The Air Ministry kept insisting it must have turrets for defensive guns etc, etc, etc. ie. it had to converge on the design of all others. To appease, examples were made. Yet the De Havilland design of the inspired individual, with no arms and armour, was so fast, had so few crew (2), was rapid to make, etc. that every nett advantage was way out with the inspired design. Each one carried the same bomb-load as a "Flying Fortress", yet could do two missions a night, expended the enemy's resources having at least twice as many of much faster high-flying more expensive to intercept planes to defend against (?), etc. Then some pillock found that the wooden frame would take the recoil of a seriously powerful anti-tank gun and you had a plane which could make an irredemable mess of U-boats, which could never submerge again with hole(s) in the pressure hull and probably a destroyed engine from the ricocheting shot.

Mitchell's "Spitfire"? I can't evaluate its relative merits from what is said, but the RAF was getting twice as many Spitfires as the Luftwaffe got Me109's and that has to be the winning advantage. It's said the Spitfire was very intuitive to fly.

Then there's me, the lone mad voice in the wilderness, saying messages which no-one can understand because the world in which they get paid quite a lot for not a lot doesn't include the concept of riding in against the competition and holding a place.

:-)

"What is needed is competent managers, skilled and experienced in managerial skills, and clear structures of management. It has been correctly realised that ..."

You could get slid out of the door on any of a range of substitute pretexts for saying what you have just said, surely?

The central tenet of management is that you must be managerial material (sic.), surely?

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As proven by a degree in Persian poetry?

"When the bottom line is the bottom line, you are always worried about the bottom line. When quality and customer satisfaction is the bottom line, the bottom line looks after itself"

C L Snyder former service manager, Waterloo Toyota- Waterloo Ontario (1979-1989)

-CEO Snyder Enterprises

The central tenet of management is you must have a functioning brain

The central tenet of management is you must have a functioning brain

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And make decisions at the upper end of the spinal cord.

No, just a degree of sarcasm

The opposite view seems to be taken here...

That might be rather unfair. They seem to be "assertive" "aggressive" people whose perspective is in the next microseconds to minutes.

Completely different point which doesn't follow directly from points I've made before.

If you had a trading "pipeline" or a trading network, if you bring in "managers" to give a rational control (sic.) of each company, taken together the "managers" will draw in at each other and get into a by-the-millimetre territorial fight. The progression will be there is a need for more and more "high-level" higher-paid managers to score advantages and advantage the employer they represent. It's like a "Wild-West" shoot-out but with only others getting killed not the protagonists. But nett, looking from a distance - a totally predictable outcome of no value to anyone apart else.

My work in Turkey in 2015 could be portrayed as being a path to success given a stalemate deadlock from all the parties fronting "properly qualified" representatives there to do no more than query any suggestion of what their employer should do.

Again, surely no (well here anyway (UK)) - it's got to be instinctive like a duck's quacking, or driven by thinking coming from an anatomical area below the neck. Apart from "palace coup" power plays - sole permissible exception. Again, pardon the sarcasm...

Again, surely no (well here anyway (UK)) - it's got to be instinctive like a duck's quacking, or driven by thinking coming from an anatomical area below the neck. Apart from "palace coup" power plays - sole permissible exception. Again, pardon the sarcasm...

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W.D.M Bell's book on hunting elephants just appeared on Gutenberg.

His advice is an extreme example of making correct decisions instinctively under pressure.

The opposite view seems to be taken here...

That might be rather unfair. They seem to be "assertive" "aggressive" people whose perspective is in the next microseconds to minutes.

Completely different point which doesn't follow directly from points I've made before.

If you had a trading "pipeline" or a trading network, if you bring in "managers" to give a rational control (sic.) of each company, taken together the "managers" will draw in at each other and get into a by-the-millimetre territorial fight. The progression will be there is a need for more and more "high-level" higher-paid managers to score advantages and advantage the employer they represent. It's like a "Wild-West" shoot-out but with only others getting killed not the protagonists. But nett, looking from a distance - a totally predictable outcome of no value to anyone apart else.

My work in Turkey in 2015 could be portrayed as being a path to success given a stalemate deadlock from all the parties fronting "properly qualified" representatives there to do no more than query any suggestion of what their employer should do.

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