OSHA is one of the reasons why that factory is in China and not in America.
I'm not suggesting that worker safety should be ignored, but OSHA has become
one of the many bloated self-serving government bureaucracies that has
contributed to forcing manufacturing overseas. I'm sure many of you are
familiar with the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). Did you know that OSHA
even has an MSDS for saline eye wash solution (pure water with a little bit
of salt added)? I came across that little gem when working in the Navy: I
couldn't believe it when I saw it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was an
MSDS for distilled water.
Lawyers, bureaucrats, and socialists will be the death of this nation.
OSHA and EPA regulations combined amount to around 8% of manufacturing cost
in the US. The wage differential between high-quality workers in China and
high-quality workers in the US runs around 96%.
So you have an 8% solution here to a 96% problem.
If anything kills manufacturing in the US, it will be doctrinaire,
conservative free-trade economics.
Fair trade and free trade seem to be completely different things.
Strangely those same people who promote "free trade" are deathly afraid
If we ever do have to fight China we will have to do it with what ever
is on hand because all our production facilities will have moved over
there. That war will not be about oil so much as about computer chips
and machine tools.
Yeah, for starters, free trade is a myth. Fair trade is in the eye of the
beholder. Making trade with France and Germany "fairer" would be good for
everyone. Making trade with China "fairer" would do absolutely nothing at
They know their policies are a crock of baloney; they just haven't faced up
to the implications of it yet. This is not speculation on my part. This is
the result of the research I did for my two articles on China trade earlier
You may want to see an article I just wrote about that. It's 5500 words --
make sure you have some spare time.
It's in the September issue of Machining. I suspect it will be up on the
website within a couple of weeks, if not already.
To reply to Deep Diver who has munged things so badly that google
posting can't find his posting, Bullshit in large quantities with a
conservative syrup on it. The reason those factories are there is
that the people that use them, importers and other middlemen, have
only greed on their minds. Profits are good, unemployment is good, or
that's what the GWeeB and his pack of morons are trying to tell us.
As far as OSHA, I suppose you'd rather see working people torn apart
by open belts, machines without guards on moving parts, or fork trucks
with bad brakes, it goes right along with your small mental ability.
Doesn't interfere with someone's right to kill for profit. (May you
be the next victim)
BTW, Hows come when business asswipes join together, you're all for
it, but when working stiffs do the same thing, you call us socialist?
Permanent malfunction of the brain? Or permanent lack of one?
Hmm. Last week I had to look up tri-methyl silane.
It was kind of nice to know that OSHA required my
employer to keep all the MSDS sheets on site so
I can find out what the researchers are using.
All the complaints about OSHA are getting a bit
silly. Pretty soon they're gonna be down to
a broom closet for a headquarters, and two
guys working there.
Basically you have to machine-gun your workers
before OSHA shows up to investigate.
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FWIW -- in a hospital emergency room (when my wife had a
gallstone), I saw several sealed bottles labeled:
"Federal Law prohibits dispensing with a prescription"
And I believe that there *are* MSDS sheets for distilled water --
simply to comply with the requirements that every chemical used have one
Rumor has it those have the funny bits in them, like
"in case of accidental injestion, dilute with.... water."
"in case of fire, put out fire with... water."
"in case of accidental spill, dilute with... water."
The MSDS for chemi-sorb say that in case of accidental
spill, sprinkle chemi-sorb on the spill.
That sort of thing.
I have the shipping hazard lable for water on my door
at work. You know, the one with the three catagories,
flammability, reactivity, toxicitiy.
zero, zero, zero....
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:13:26 GMT, "DeepDiver"
......and in reply I say!:
OSHA is probably bloated and self-serving, and filled with many
get-a-life bureaucrats, whose only purpose is to make themselves feel
tough. But it would not be necessary to have such entities as OSHA if
most employers were not greedy users and abusers of fellow humans in
order to maximise profits.
And nobody would jump up and down if OSHA did _not_ have that stupid
MSDS, and something went wrong?
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
The rest sit around and make snide comments.
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Like an engine or heavy machine..there is generally lots of room for
improvement or tuning it up for better and more efficient performance.
Most governmental organizations are like a clunky overweight 13
cylinder engine, with piss poor fuel consumption and greatly
overweight for the task at hand.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
(scroll down to "Water")
I always got a kick out of the MSDS for talcum powder. Our planned
maintenance procedures required us to dust the inside of our rubber
gloves (the big, black, electrical safety type) after each use and
also at some fixed periodicity. They PM also required us to review all
pertinent MSDS. The MSDS first aid procedures for skin contact were
to wash with soap and water.
Every time I performed that particular PM I'd get a mental picture
of some poor (literal-minded) slob entering into an infinite loop -
putting the gloves on, yanking them off to wash his hands, putting the
gloves on, . . ..
Note - talc _can_ be hazardous, particularly when inhaled (talcosis)
I work with this hypochondriac guy who wears a respirator most of the
time. We are a trophy shop and use very small amounts of some oxidizing
chemicals. Maybe about 4 ounces lasts 3 months.
He will not use this product because he says he can feel it in his
I asked him how it was possible for him to put gas in his car, drive to
work on the freeway, and still be worried about a chemical with the
toxicity of vinegar.
The guy is clearly crazy with fear of everything and will only eat
mostly rotten fruit and drinks distilled water and hydrogen peroxide. Oh
yeah, he draws his blood everynite and looks at it under a microscope.
He also installed tachyon particle focusing discs on the ceiling of his
I need an MSDS just to be around this guy.