Ignoramus3194 fired this volley in news:E6CdnboNOd8e4KzNnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:
If you make a bib for your helmet, you might want to consider velcro-ing it in place or using clothing snaps, rather than attaching it permanently. Even a short one gets to be a pain in the ass if you do a lot of helmet flipping.
I use a leather sleeve for gouging or overhead work (with other leathers for overhead, too).
Lloyd
LLoyd
On 8/19/2012 5:58 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote: ...
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My point exactly. I have _zero_ confidence in HF being anything other than the cheapest they can find...
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On 8/19/2012 8:30 PM, Gunner Asch wrote: ...
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Perhaps but you can get a set of spec's and they do warrant them to meet applicable ANSI Standard, etc. I have more confidence that Miller does, in fact, ensure that the product _does_ actually meet those.
You can't find even a hint that HF stands behind theirs at that level. No claim whatever on actual performance and I have no faith whatever that HF makes any pretense whatsoever of ensuring they do.
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Guess you never looked.
Item # 67854
Description The lens on this auto darkening welding helmet measures 3-7/8"x 1-3/4," providing a full view of your workspace. The welding helmet lens darkens in 1/25,000 of a second and features variable shade control. A ratcheting headband and padded interior allow you to wear this welding helmet in comfort while you weld in safety.
Darkens in 1/25,000 second (clear #4 to dark state) Variable shade control - shades #9 to #13 High/low light-sensitivity adjustment UV/IR protection
Meets ANSI Z87.1-1989 standards
We guarantee this product to be free from defects in materials and workmanship 90 days from the date of purchase. Limitations apply.
From the Harbor Freight web site for one of the welding helmets.
Meets CE and ANSI Z87.1-1989 standards
And Harbor Freight seems to do better than Sears as far as replacing broken tools. I can understand not replacing dull drill bits, but Sears will not replace a Craftsman spade type drill for drilling pilot holes for wood screws. The damn thing broke in half in normal use.
=20 Dan
I picked up a fixed shade Sellstrom last year (craigslist, $5.00) that was made in USA. From a cursory look at their website it looks like they are still made here.
I've had it for a few years now, I'll give it a day in the sun to see what happens to it. As to taking it back, well, I don't know if it was bad when I bought it, and I've gotten enough usage out of it to not feel good about doing that.
I did replace my HF drill press clamp though, as the packaging says lifetime guarantee on it, and the break was an obvious defect.
Jon
years ago, sears refused to replace a broken Craftsman branded allen wrench. I cut a copy of the lifetime warranty out of a catalog and mailed the broken wrench, the warranty statement and a simple demand letter to the president of Sears in Chicago. In exactly 4 days I had a letter in my mail from the local sears store manager that basically said "I sure wish you hadn't written that letter", and it included a replacement wrench. Interestingly the replacement wrench was defective, so I took it back to the tool department for a replacement - I didn't even get all the way into the tool section before one of the sears staff let out a shriek and ran (literally ran) over to me and said "I'LL REPLACE THAT FOR YOU IMMEDIATELY, SIR!!!"
I have no idea if a similar letter today would have similar results, but it's worth a try.
Gunner Asch on Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:55:11 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Actually, flipping a hood, especially if you do it by shaking your head, is a "bad habit" - puts a lot of stress on the neck. Unless you're one of those bull necked "That man has no neck" guys. Even then ...
tschus pyotr
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_WHAT_ spec's does it meet? That's the problem--they don't provide any.
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dpb fired this volley in news:k0t5ot$a4k$1 @speranza.aioe.org:
Haven't you read the responses here? Are you selectively blocking some users?
Harbor freight cites the ANSI specification their helmets meet. They cite it in their online catalog. I presume they do so in any written catalogs or sales flyers, as well.
Why do you persist in saying that they do not provide specifications when you've been shown that they do?
(I'm not a great HF fan, but if it's true, it's true)
LLoyd
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Yes, and yes... :) (but not the ones in this thread; I hadn't seen them all at the time of posting)
I _did_ look -- the ones I saw widely promoted did _NOT_ have any indication of meeting ANSI Std's on any link I saw.
I did finally follow one other path that did show one that did--so perhaps either there's a rendering difference between browsers or there are different products or somesuch but I had been unable to find the indication of performance spec's other than the 90-day warranty stuff which by itself is meaningless.
But, I still don't trust HF unequivocally to ensure their products meet the spec's they print. (And, yes, I _AM_ selective that way... :) )
I do trust the "name-brand" guys to be more careful--maybe it's an ill-placed trust I don't know but that's me and w/ my eyes I'm willing to pay's the extra money for perhaps nothing but that feeling. Thing is, I don't have the way to verify it a priori. So except by bad results if the low-priced spread doesn't match up and that's not made up by money back or a lower cost going in...
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Of course they do. They meet or exceed the Ansi standards listed by another poster.
Im curious..what is your problem with HF? Obviously you have one. What is it?
Gunner
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.
- Jeff Cooper
Did you read the manuals, or just the description?
Mine was fine all the way up until it died a little over a year after purchase.
i
My current pair are at least 5 yrs old or older.
Shrug
Yall can buy what you want for the price you want. We do have freedom to do that. On the other hand...a lot of folks weld so little..that they dont need the finest money can buy...and with the economy being in the septic tank...HF is all many people can afford.
Gunner
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure
- and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.
- Jeff Cooper
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