History of Machine Tools

Last October (2003) I started what turned out to be a very lively thread asking for thoughts on researching the history of machine
tools.
Sadly, in August the hard drive on my computer died and that thread, which I had not completely backed up, was lost.
I have found some of it by Google searching but I wonder or anyone might have saved the message texts?
If so I sure would appreciate getting a copy of the full thread.
Too late I have discovered how easy it is to save message text in Agent, the newsreader I use, so perhaps if someone has the thread still on their machine and uses Agent they would be kind enough to save it as a .txt or.doc and send it to me.
Regards,
Errol Groff
Instructor, Machine Tool Department H.H. Ellis Regional Technical School Danielson, CT 06239
860 774 8511 x1811
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Hi Errol. Not sure if you meant Google *group* searching, or Google web.
Have you looked here:
http://groups.google.com.au/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=NPFmb.67967%24KJ5.66678%40fe2.columbus.rr.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D29%26as_minm%3D3%26as_miny%3D1995%26as_maxd%3D25%26as_maxm%3D10%26as_maxy%3D2003%26selm%3Diomlpv84s9ijoidjdo3lsru5ggjv7orfp8%25404ax.com&as_drrb=b&as_maxd%&as_maxm &as_maxy 03&as_mind)&as_minm=3&as_miny95
or http://tinyurl.com/3hp69
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-- Jeff R.
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    Scott Logan regularly posts pointers to the FAQ (and related sites) and the site with the official FAQ is also where the archives live.
    Well ... you can download the archives from:
     http://w3.uwyo.edu/~metal
Near the top you will find a link:
    FAQ and archives via w3.uwyo.edu
and near the top of that, you will find:
=====================================================================metal.00a (86 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2000 metal.00b (95 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2000 metal.01a (93 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2001 metal.01b (84 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2001 metal.02a (61 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2002 metal.02b (30 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2002 metal.03a (26 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2003 metal.03b (10 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2003 metal.04a (23 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2004 ====================================================================All uncompressed, so they take forever to download unless you have a fast connection.
Near the bottom (past the FAQ segments) you will find:
=====================================================================metal92.zip (87K) metal93.zip (2.2 Meg) metal94.zip (3.5 Meg) metal95a.zip (3.5 Meg) metal95b.zip (5.2 Meg) metal96a.zip (5.5 Meg) metal96b.zip (11.4 Meg) metal97a.zip (13.3 Meg) metal97b.zip (9.3 Meg) metal98a.gz (14.4 Meg) metal98b.gz (19.7 Meg) metal99a.gz (20.5 Meg) metal99b.gz (22 Meg) metal00a.gz (27 Meg) metal00b.gz (29.6 Meg) metal01a.gz (29 Meg) metal01b.gz (26 Meg) metal02a.gz (19 Meg) metal02b.gz (9.4 Meg) metal03a.gz (8.5 Meg) metal03b.gz (3.6 Meg) metal04a.gz (7.4 Meg) ====================================================================which are the compressed files. Add 1900 to each number to get the year which it represents. (Obviously, the second half of 2004 is not out there, yet.)
    The earlier ".zip" files should be handled nicely by the standard unzip programs for Windows. The later ones (.gz suffix) are produced by the GNU unix "gzip" program, and may or may not be handled by Windows compression programs.
    Be warned that one of those files has several copies of a virus which was being posted to the newsgroups in it, so be careful with a Windows system.
    And each file has all of the articles in chronological order just run head to tail. I don't know whether agent can wade through those or not.
    But I'll bet that some of the attachments which I have known about only because someone replied to them are in there. Somewhere upstream, someone in the news feed chain is dropping binaries to discussion newsgroups.
    And I consider this dropping of attachments to be a *good* thing. The latest warning from CERT (Computer Emergency Response Team) is that there are .jpg files out there (in the "adult newsgroups) which exercise yet another security hole in Outlook Express (and other Windows programs which use the same library to display .jpg (JPEG) files).
    Good Luck,         DoN.
P.S.    This probably did not go to the second newsgroup which you     cross-posted it to, as the spelling is wrong:
    alt.machihes.cnc
    I've corrected it in the headers, so they should see most of your request through my quoting.
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Errol,
I have the entire thread. There were 262 follow-up messages. Not sure if I can copy the whole thing as one file or if I'll have to copy each individual message as a separate file.
What are you using for a newsreader? I use Agent. If you have Agent, I can probably copy the whole thread into a single folder and send you a copy of that folder.
Send an e-mail if you're interested.
Matt snipped-for-privacy@sciti.com
On 30 Sep 2004 01:41:22 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols) wrote:

=====================================================================>metal.00a (86 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2000

=====================================================================>
=====================================================================>metal92.zip (87K)

=====================================================================>
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Errol,
All I have is the two messages I posted in my "sent" box plus any threads I would have kept in the reply. If this is worthwhile to you I could either post it to the newsgroup or send by email. Let me know.
There was another thread in august that might have interested you as well. The title was:
Machine Tools - History Channel's Modern Marvels *Thursday*
All I have is my post let me know if you want it.
If you email to me directly please remove the middle part (should be obvious) of the address which was added to help reduce SPAM.
Regards,
Mark

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MIT's publishing house has an excellent series of books/monographs on history of machine tools. I'd contact MIT for a catalog.
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Don Stauffer snipped-for-privacy@usfamily.net

The MIT prof, Robert Woodbury, wrote texts compiled as such (history of grinding, milling, lathe to 1850). I'm not sure of their availability, currently. If there's something on the subject from MIT since Woodbury, I'd also like to know. Frank Morrison (Woodbury is very good, but his premise is that machine tool advances trickle down from genius, rather than head up from shop brew.)
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Thak you fellows. I have recieived two copies of the thread and expect another soon so I think I have the information that dI was seeking.
Thanks again to all who offered help.
Errol
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Instructor, Machine Tool Department H.H. Ellis Regional Technical School Danielson, CT 06239
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