Last October (2003) I started what turned out to be a very lively
thread asking for thoughts on researching the history of machine
Sadly, in August the hard drive on my computer died and that thread,
which I had not completely backed up, was lost.
I have found some of it by Google searching but I wonder or anyone
might have saved the message texts?
If so I sure would appreciate getting a copy of the full thread.
Too late I have discovered how easy it is to save message text in
Agent, the newsreader I use, so perhaps if someone has the thread
still on their machine and uses Agent they would be kind enough to
save it as a .txt or.doc and send it to me.
Instructor, Machine Tool Department
H.H. Ellis Regional Technical School
Danielson, CT 06239
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Not sure if you meant Google *group* searching, or Google web.
Have you looked here:
http://groups.google.com.au/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=NPFmb.67967%24KJ5.66678%40fe2.columbus.rr.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D29%26as_minm%3D3%26as_miny%3D1995%26as_maxd%3D25%26as_maxm%3D10%26as_maxy%3D2003%26selm%3Diomlpv84s9ijoidjdo3lsru5ggjv7orfp8%25404ax.com&as_drrb=b&as_maxd%&as_maxm &as_maxy 03&as_mind)&as_minm=3&as_miny95
Apologies if I'm showing Grandmaw how to suck eggs...
Scott Logan regularly posts pointers to the FAQ (and related
sites) and the site with the official FAQ is also where the archives
Well ... you can download the archives from:
Near the top you will find a link:
FAQ and archives via w3.uwyo.edu
and near the top of that, you will find:
=====================================================================metal.00a (86 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2000
metal.00b (95 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2000
metal.01a (93 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2001
metal.01b (84 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2001
metal.02a (61 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2002
metal.02b (30 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2002
metal.03a (26 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2003
metal.03b (10 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 2nd half 2003
metal.04a (23 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2004
====================================================================All uncompressed, so they take forever to download unless you have a
Near the bottom (past the FAQ segments) you will find:
metal93.zip (2.2 Meg)
metal94.zip (3.5 Meg)
metal95a.zip (3.5 Meg)
metal95b.zip (5.2 Meg)
metal96a.zip (5.5 Meg)
metal96b.zip (11.4 Meg)
metal97a.zip (13.3 Meg)
metal97b.zip (9.3 Meg)
metal98a.gz (14.4 Meg)
metal98b.gz (19.7 Meg)
metal99a.gz (20.5 Meg)
metal99b.gz (22 Meg)
metal00a.gz (27 Meg)
metal00b.gz (29.6 Meg)
metal01a.gz (29 Meg)
metal01b.gz (26 Meg)
metal02a.gz (19 Meg)
metal02b.gz (9.4 Meg)
metal03a.gz (8.5 Meg)
metal03b.gz (3.6 Meg)
metal04a.gz (7.4 Meg)
====================================================================which are the compressed files. Add 1900 to each number to get the year
which it represents. (Obviously, the second half of 2004 is not out
The earlier ".zip" files should be handled nicely by the
standard unzip programs for Windows. The later ones (.gz suffix) are
produced by the GNU unix "gzip" program, and may or may not be handled
by Windows compression programs.
Be warned that one of those files has several copies of a virus
which was being posted to the newsgroups in it, so be careful with a
And each file has all of the articles in chronological order
just run head to tail. I don't know whether agent can wade through
those or not.
But I'll bet that some of the attachments which I have known
about only because someone replied to them are in there. Somewhere
upstream, someone in the news feed chain is dropping binaries to
And I consider this dropping of attachments to be a *good*
thing. The latest warning from CERT (Computer Emergency Response Team)
is that there are .jpg files out there (in the "adult newsgroups) which
exercise yet another security hole in Outlook Express (and other Windows
programs which use the same library to display .jpg (JPEG) files).
P.S. This probably did not go to the second newsgroup which you
cross-posted it to, as the spelling is wrong:
I've corrected it in the headers, so they should see most of
your request through my quoting.
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I have the entire thread. There were 262 follow-up messages. Not sure
if I can copy the whole thing as one file or if I'll have to copy each
individual message as a separate file.
What are you using for a newsreader? I use Agent. If you have Agent, I
can probably copy the whole thread into a single folder and send you a
copy of that folder.
Send an e-mail if you're interested.
On 30 Sep 2004 01:41:22 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org (DoN. Nichols)
=====================================================================>metal.00a (86 Meg) -- Archive of rec.crafts.metalworking, 1st half 2000
All I have is the two messages I posted in my "sent" box plus any threads I
would have kept in the reply. If this is worthwhile to you I could either
post it to the newsgroup or send by email. Let me know.
There was another thread in august that might have interested you as well.
The title was:
Machine Tools - History Channel's Modern Marvels *Thursday*
All I have is my post let me know if you want it.
If you email to me directly please remove the middle part (should be
obvious) of the address which was added to help reduce SPAM.
The MIT prof, Robert Woodbury, wrote texts compiled as such (history of
grinding, milling, lathe to 1850). I'm not sure of their availability,
currently. If there's something on the subject from MIT since Woodbury, I'd
also like to know.
(Woodbury is very good, but his premise is that machine tool advances trickle
down from genius, rather than head up from shop brew.)
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