I have been asked for a bid on a 4' x 9' metal gate. Very straightforward,
1 1/2" tubing frame with 3/4" pickets every 5". Plus hinges and a mount for an opener.
I have helped make gates for a friend's ranch before, I have a good MIG setup, and I am confident I can do a good job on this. But what should I bid?
I am in Austin, Texas, if it matters.
Thanx!
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RoyJ
Cost of your bought materials like the tube, pickets, hinges, mount, etc, add at least an additinal 25% to 50% to cover your time to select, purchase, pickup, return of overages, etc.
Figure your time in hours to build it, add in a fudge time to allow Mr. Murphy to visit you. Multiply by what you think you are worth per hour. Add in a second fudge number to cover your shop supplies, especially gas and wire. For a hobbist level you might want to figure $20 -$30 an hour for your expected time. That should be enough to cover your labor, overages, and consumables. Pro level field welders get $60 to $100 per hour.
Compare the total to a store bought gate of about the same size. It's hard to charge TOO much more than that. D> I have been asked for a bid on a 4' x 9' metal gate. Very straightforward,
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Emmo
Thanx for your response on this. It is helpful...
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RoyJ
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Nick Müller
I calculate it this way: Coarsly add all the steel you need and look up the weight in a table. Multiply by 2$ or 2.50$ for every kg (2 pounds) to get the cost for your material*). Get the price for hinges (I like weld on hinges, they are very cheap) and other hardware. Add extra 10$ for screws etc.
Then look at the frame how many welds there are and how complicated the thing is. In your case, I guess you have to drill and countersink some holes for the pickets. Steel pickets? You know who much work it is to weld them nicly on?
You could make such a frame in about 2 hours (w/o pickets) if you don't have to think about every step. And if your saw works precisely. :-) Don't know what you think a fair price is, but if you more or less work for the fun of it, 20..25$ are OK. Add an extra hour or two for getting all the stuff you need.
Painting? Do you have to fit it?
*) Don't know your prices, but with the prices for steel going up, this may be wrong. Calculate 30..50% more then you pay. If the steel is a uncommon profile you won't use in the near future, bill him the full bar and keep the rest as your profit.
Nick
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Emmo
It turns out that the answer, at least here in Austin, is $50 a linear foot, $900, delivered and installed on 6" posts. This was from an established fencing company.
I bid $850 plus materials, delivered, but not installed, so I was outbid. Oh well...
Thanx for the help!
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Gary Brady
Sometimes the best job is the one you didn't get.
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Nick Müller
One way to always have "good jobs" is to ask too much money.
$850 + materials? If I do the math, it would have taken him 34 hours at
25$, or 17hrs at 50$ or 8.5 hrs at 100$. A gate in 8.5 hours!? If someone needs so much time, he isn't worth the 100$. :-)
Nick
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Emmo
I agree with you, especially because I did not want to dig the post holes and hang the gate at all...
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Emmo
The soil here in Texas is often as hard as concrete - it might have taken me
8.5 hours to just dig the post holes! It is forecast to be over 100 degrees Fahrenheit every day this week as well.
I watched someone hang a gate once, and that is as much as I know about it. Digging and concreting the posts, leveling the two panels, welding the hinges, hanging and wiring the openers, all under the blazing sun -- no thanx!
All I wanted to do was the cutting and welding in a nice shady garage...
I appreciate your comments, though...
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Jim Stewart
No s*it.
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Emmo
It probably doesn't matter at this point, but in responding to an email, I realized that I had made a bad mistake in this original post. The job was for two 4'x9' panels, making a 4'x 18' two panel gate, not a single 4'x9' gate as I originally described.
This is why I was reluctant to install it, and this makes my bid a lot closer to the fence company's... Hope this clarifies things - I wasn't as far off as it seemed...
Thanx again, this was a good exercise for me...
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