How to clean rusty tools ?

Jul 19, 2005 60 Replies

According to those that plate, you are. In a book titled Modern Electroplating, third edition, published by Wiley Interscience Publication, it says, on page 42:

"Since hydrogen is produced first in the atomic state, it is readily absorbed by the basis metal. Steels are more or less susceptible to embitterment by absorbed hydrogen depending on the analysis and metallurgical treatment. The nature of the embrittlement is not understood, but at least in part it is result of interference of the hydrogen atoms with the normal flow of slip of the lattice planes under stress."

Any heat treated item that is black oxide finished is required to be roasted to eliminate hydrogen if failure is an issue. Black oxide finished springs would be a good example. The hydrogen generated by electrolysis in the black oxide process is more than enough to create a condition that can be troublesome. I can only assume that tools cleaned by electrolysis, where there is hydrolysis ( and I assume there is-------you get bubbles, right?) would be subject to the same conditions.

Hope this helps explain it.

Harold

No---it's something that occurs when you generate hydrogen, regardless of the procedure. It's all to do with the metals affinity for hydrogen, and the fact that you're releasing it abundantly. If, in the process of cleaning electrolytically, you get bubbles, you're releasing hydrogen. Heat treated tools should receive a roast afterwards to insure they don't break when used. It's easily done in the kitchen oven. 375 degrees for a couple hours insures the tool is stable.

Harold

Thanks for the explanation Harold. It just seemed so unlikely.

Steve

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:

So does the fact that 9lb babies can come out of "there"... but its true none the less

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the s*it out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

I saw this happen. I still can't believe it.

Jim

Uh huh!

Harold

My daughter's 16 now. She just got her driving permit, she's going to be a junior in HS next year. Colleges are sending her literature.

But I still can't get over the Dr. caching her on the fly, like with a catcher's mitt. Also the fact that my wife had no drugs, and the first thing she wanted the next day was breakfast, not painkillers. The next thing she wanted was irish whisky!

Women are just tougher than men. It's obvious to me.

Jim

All too cool, Jim. Looks like you folks did good.

And she wanted Irish whisky? That's one damned good woman, Jim. I was the ex did. I'm not cut out for such things!

And me.in the delivery room with my ex when she gave birth to my daughter, way back in '63. I required far more attention that

Harold

She had terrible heartburn. The first thing she wanted was breakfast and a cup of coffee. She was unable to drink coffee for the last months of the pregnancy on account of the heartburn. It was too learly but the staff went downstairs and rustled her up some grub.

I brought her a bottle of jamesons that afternoon, that was next on the list. She didn't drink any alcohol during the pregnancy so she kinda missed it.

Jim

Having suffered for years with helicobacter pylori bacteria, and a bleeding ulcer, I can sympathize with the heartburn. Unless you've lived through endless days of that kind of inconvenience, I'm not sure anyone can understand the agony.

That I fully understand. I'm not a big drinker, but there's nothing quite so satisfying as the occasional scotch and water. I don't even drink 'em stiff, maybe an ounce in an old fashion glass, filled with ice and water. I went years without the pleasure of sipping one.

For the 4th or 5th time, I took the antibiotic cure for the bacteria infestation about two years ago, but this time it was with two antibiotics in tandem, along with the mandatory bismuth and antihistamine, as prescribed. I've enjoyed the best stomach conditions in years since then. All previous treatments slowed down the condition, but it was quick to return.

By the way, I'm happy with almost anything---Canadian, scotch or Irish, makes little difference to me. Single malt or blended, all are good as far as I'm concerned.

Harold

Been there, done that. Well, the heartburn - my cause was mechanical, not viral. Puking blood really gets one's attention, y'know? Surgery (Nissen fundoplication) did wonders, no heartburn or meds since.

Excellent to know that they've got it figured out now.

I like a nice single-malt Scotch, but right now I"m between Scotches and am working through a bottle of Knob Creek bourbon for the next few months.

Yes, it is rather unpleasant. I suffered from heartburn, perhaps 3x per week, when I was fat. Heartburn went away after a week or two of dieting, never to return.

i

Her heartburn was purely caused by a parasitic infestation. After the delivery, the cure was instantaneous, and complete!

:^)

Jim

Ah, so it was a _sexually transmitted_ parasitic infestation, to boot.

Unfortunately none of the posters here were intelligent enough to recognize that the thread was drifting off topic.

DRIFTING??????? Holly s*it. Not even close to having anything to deal with rusty tools.

Holly s*it? Does it, really?

Hell no, we haven't drifted off topic. Jim clearly stated that the infestation was from a parasitic infestation. I can't help but think he meant from a rusty tool (although mine never has rusted. Limp, maybe, but not rusted)........ Jim?

Harold

Can't say as though I'm familiar with Knob Creek, but I can't help but believe I'd be able to choke it down!

Harold

LOL. Anyone who's ever spent time with a lady in the 9th month of pregnancy will realize they'd rather be anywhere else, doing anything else, suffering from anything else.

Jim

Until now, I was wondering what this had to with cleaning rusty tools.

Ed R

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