Hurricane Sandy looks pretty bad

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Extraordinary storm, extremely serious threat Stu Ostro, Senior Meteorologist, The Weather Channel Oct 29, 2012 5:05 am ET

SANDY

- History is being written as an extreme weather event continues to unfold, one which will occupy a place in the annals of weather history as one of the most extraordinary to have affected the United States.

- REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE OFFICIAL DESIGNATION IS NOW OR AT/AFTER LANDFALL -- HURRICANE (INCLUDING IF "ONLY" A CATEGORY ONE), TROPICAL STORM, POST-TROPICAL, EXTRATROPICAL, WHATEVER -- OR WHAT TYPE OF WARNINGS ARE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER -- PEOPLE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM NEED TO HEED THE THREAT IT POSES WITH UTMOST URGENCY.

- TAKE COASTAL FLOODING EVACUATION ORDERS SERIOUSLY; PREPARE FOR DOWNED TREES AND STRUCTURAL DAMAGE BY OBSERVING TORNADO SAFETY GUIDELINES, I.E. STAYING INSIDE AND GETTING INTO THE LOWEST, MOST-INTERIOR PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR ANOTHER DESIGNATED SAFE PLACE; BE KEENLY AWARE OF YOUR LOCATION'S SUSCEPTIBILITY TO FLASH FLOODING (URBAN AND SMALL STREAM) FROM RAINFALL AND RIVER RISES; KNOW THAT YOU COULD BE WITHOUT POWER FOR A LONG TIME BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THE DANGERS OF CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING FROM IMPROPER USE OF GENERATORS.

- With Sandy having already brought severe impacts to the Caribbean Islands and a portion of the Bahamas, and severe erosion to some beaches on the east coast of Florida, it is now poised to strike the northeast United States with a combination of track, size, structure and strength that is unprecedented in the known historical record there.

- Already, there have been ominous signs from its outer fringes: trees down in eastern North Carolina on Saturday, the first of countless that will be blown over or uprooted along the storm's path; and coastal flooding in Florida, North Carolina and Virginia Saturday and Sunday, these impacts occurring despite the center of circulation being so far offshore, an indication of Sandy's exceptional size and potency. Sustained tropical storm force winds were already measured at a buoy just offshore of New York City Sunday evening, 24 hours before the closest approach of the center. Early Monday morning, aircraft reconnaissance found a central pressure of 946 millibars, one of the lowest on record for a hurricane near that location, and maximum sustained winds which have increased to 85 mph.

- A meteorologically mind-boggling combination of ingredients is coming together: one of the largest expanses of tropical storm (gale) force winds on record with a tropical or subtropical cyclone in the Atlantic or for that matter anywhere else in the world; a track of the center making a sharp left turn in direction of movement toward New Jersey in a way that is unprecedented in the historical database, as it gets blocked from moving out to sea by a pattern that includes an exceptionally strong ridge of high pressure aloft near Greenland; a "warm-core" tropical cyclone embedded within a larger, nor'easter-like circulation; and moisture from the tropics and cold air from the Arctic combining to produce very heavy snow in interior high elevations. This is an extraordinary situation, and I am not prone to hyperbole.

- That gigantic size is a crucially important aspect of this storm. The massive breadth of its strong winds will produce a much wider scope of impacts than if it were a tiny system, and some of them will extend very far inland. A cyclone with the same maximum sustained velocities (borderline tropical storm / hurricane) but with a very small diameter of tropical storm / gale force winds would not present nearly the same level of threat or expected effects. Unfortunately, that's not the case. This one's size, threat, and expected impacts are immense.

- Those continue to be: very powerful, gusty winds with widespread tree damage and an extreme amount and duration of power outages; major coastal flooding from storm surge along with large battering waves on top of that and severe beach erosion; flooding from heavy rainfall; and heavy snow accumulations in the central Appalachians where a blizzard warning has been issued for some locations due to the combination of snow and wind. With strong winds blowing across the Great Lakes and pushing the water onshore, there are even lakeshore flood warnings in effect as far west as Chicago.

- Sandy is so large that there is even a tropical storm warning in effect in Bermuda, and the Bermuda Weather Service is forecasting wave heights outside the reef as high as 25'.

- There is a serious danger to mariners from a humongous area of high seas which in some areas will include waves of colossal height. Wave forecast models are predicting significant wave heights up to 50+ feet, and that is the average of the top 1/3, meaning that there will be individual waves that are even higher. A buoy between North Carolina and Bermuda measured significant wave heights of ~40' Sunday evening. The Perfect Storm, originally known as the Halloween Storm because of the time of year when it occurred, peaking in 1991 on the same dates (October 28-30) as Sandy, became a part of popular culture because of the tragedy at sea. This one has some of the same meteorological characteristics and ingredients coming together, but in an even more extreme way, and slamming more directly onshore and then much farther inland and thus having a far greater scope and variety of impacts. "

Best of luck to everyone in its path. Even the Leftwingers.

Gunner

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Gunner
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There are forecasts of 17-25 foot waves on Lake Huron and 33 on Michigan

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Rick

SNIP

Just waiting now. Saws are all set gen sets ready. Vehicles are fueled. If it does what is predicted the next couple days might be very cold and wet. I'm hoping that flooding isn't as bad as it was over the past few years. Not fun running around pumping out basements....

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Steve W.

Thats gonna make some Michiganders and whatnot happy as hell to be able to get out the surf boards.

Smacking up against the 4th floor of an office building while riding the crest of a wave though...that might be a rude awakening....or something....

Gunner

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Gunner

Not if the fourth floor windows are open...

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Michael A. Terrell

Depends on whether the window on the other side of the building is also open.

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Winston_Smith

Here is some crazy stupid person trying to make the Darwin list.

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there are some other pictures of the boat rolling over in the surf but I don't have the url for them.

The tidal surge is what will do the most damage. Even some of the boats that were pulled out of the marinas will be floated with the surge. I managed to move mine behind a tidal flood gate so the surge will not affect it.

John

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john

Not really, as long as it's not a _really_ narrow building. ;-)

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Michael A. Terrell

True enough!!

Gunner

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Gunner

Maybe God's starting the great cull!

RogerN

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RogerN

Sure seemed to me that he was handing it just fine. Much like boating on Lake Superior in fact, most of the year.

How did that happen? He screwed up coming back in? If you find the links..post em?

That wave action wasnt all that bad in fact. Shrug and the "surf"wasnt very high. From my observation, he proceeded in a safe and proper manner. But then..I only grew up and learned to sail and power boat from the Power Squadron on the upper Great Lakes...got my Coast Guard card about the age of 12 as I recall.

Unless the waves go over the top...then you will have a nice insurance claim in the loop.

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Gunner

The flood gates are about 20 feet high. They are also in a protected channel.

I bet you did this too on the lake. Here are some pictures of the same boat after it made a turn along the beach.

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John

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john

Tudsday AM, Oct 30, 2012

Company Name: NYSEG Number of Customers Served: 871859 Number of Customers Out: 115040 Percent of Customers Out: 13.19%

Plenty of people affected, in New York State.

Me, power on. Mild wind. Cloudy. No precip. Long past time for me to test run the generator.

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Stormin Mormon

Up here in Central Ontario it was a bit windy - a few trees and branches down - a few signs destroyed - and a bit wet - but it's been wet for a week or so trying to make up for our summer drought.

All in all not much of an event this side of the lakes.

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clare

So far.

Gunner

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Gunner

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