If you were building the dream shop

Any photos? I'd like to see some. Thanks.

-- Mark

Perfect solution so the garage floor can be flat with the driveway: Slot trench drain with cast-in-place concrete body and cast iron grates. Stops the water coming under the door, allows the area to be dead flat, and should be plenty strong enough for any steel casters or other point loads you can throw at it.

If we ever get around to installing french drains from the side street (low point on property) to the front yard I'll put in a trench drain in front of the garage door as we pass by. Right now, we have no place to send the water. Heck, I might just make the trench an open section of the drain system - 20' less drain pipe to clog...

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I have radiant heat in my new shop and having a lift in mind already, embedded a frame in the floor at pour time. This made it easy to route around it for the tubing and gives me something very solid to bolt to when I get to installing the lift. For now I am still finishing the rest of the shop, so the lift can wait. I plugged the holes with styrofoam. Removing it will be a matter of a little gasoline and the stuff will melt right away.

JW

All the racer supply places still sell halon fire systems, and hand-held units, today. There is a new product out that is water-based and almost as equipment-friendly. Much cheaper, but may not be suitable for hand-helds.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:58:52 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

|On 11 Jan 2004 09:48:36 -0800, jim rozen |wrote: |>In article , Bruce L. Bergman |>says... | |>> Oh, and a VERY important note: Go get that Halon extinguisher you, |>>um, "inherited"... serviced by a professional shop at least every 6 |>>years, even if you've never used it - they have found that the O-ring |>>seals on the discharge nozzle crack from age and leak out the charge, |>>so you need to get them replaced before your precious (and expensive) |>>gas escapes. "Save the Ozone Layer" and all that bilge... ;-) |>

|>OK, but I suspect that if I take it in for service, they cannot |>legally remove the halon and re-install it. So I've been simply |>weighing the extinguisher annually. Here I assume the pressure |>gage on the unit is worse than useless, as the vapor pressure at |>room temperature will be constant as long as there is any liquid |>in the tank. | | Balderdash! I The one I have in the office was just hydrotested and |refilled 4/17/2003, and they didn't ask any questions at all... I |even bought a new Halon for the Corvair a few years back, it was about |$50 but they sold it to me. They are discouraging Halon use, and |taxing it, but it isn't illegal yet... | | If you don't believe me, call a local shop and ask them |"hypothetically" if they can service it for you. The only thing that |would stop them is if the previous owner engraved their name on it. | | And Halon 1211 units have nitrogen for delivery pressurization over |the liquid Halon contents that has a low vapor pressure, so the tare |weight and cylinder pressure are both important. | |>When it no longer meets the spec, I will replace it with either co2 |>or dry powder. | | You never mentioned a brand or model number... The only thing I |could see stopping them servicing it is if it is one of the |Plastic-head "Disposable" units the size of an aerosol can and sold as |a "kitchen extinguisher" that was made to be one time use only. In |that case, if it's 1201 inside they can capture the Halon in their big |tank and recycle it, and give you a credit for the contents. Unless |you get the fire really early, and inside a confined space like an |oven, one pound or less of Halon won't go very far. | | The important part is to find an extinguisher service facility in |your area that is set up to work with Halon, they will usually also |have their own hydrotest cell so they can do it all there. | | A lot of small shops and mobile services don't have the gear, they |farm it out and mark up the prices to cover the shipping. | | If you are in Los Angeles, call Pioneer Fire Protection in Van Nuys, |they do it all in-house and will take good care of your service needs. |818/785-8571 I take quite a few odd units found at garage sales for |them to refill, including CO2-cartridge style, Purple-K, Army WWII |Surplus 2.5# CO2 - but that doesn't get me an exemption from any of |the safety rules. I've had to scrap a few units for dumb stuff like |the serial number on the belly band was illegible. | | -->-- |-- |Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop |Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700 |5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545 |Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

Rex in Fort Worth

OK, that's something I did not understand, but do now. I was unaware that there was a nitrogen propellant.

It's made by Amerex corp, and is a five pound halon

I will perform the 'hypothetical' service call shortly! Thanks - Jim

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Thanks for the story - so many of us were there...

Martin