Is there any HSS/HS marking requirements

Is there any federal trade commission or other regulatory agency requirements to
mark HSS/HS on tooling that is sold with this stated sales literature?
I've bought 2 metric dies recently on eBay, that the add stated as HSS, and
testing with my rockwell hardness tester indicates Rc=55 and less.
I'm trying to get eBay to stop the minions of sellers from stating this without
it being marked on the tool.
Every HSS tool I have is marked. I'm trying to build a set of low cost metric
dies (have the taps).
ignator
Reply to
fredhababorbitz
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With or without the FTC getting involved, if you want to buy stuff that you can trust, buy it from a reputable source.
There are good folks selling on eBay, but it's the internet equivalent of an abandoned parking lot full of guys selling stuff out of the backs of their pick-up trucks -- "buyer beware" is the rule of the day, and try not to get robbed on your way out. So being an eBay vendor is somewhat anti-reputable right there.
I wouldn't look for good quality on eBay unless I recognized the vendor's name and knew them to be honest.
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Tim Wescott
You may be correct in thinking that the parts (the metric dies) aren't HSS, but you could be wrong, too. They COULD be HSS if: -there was a problem in heat treatment -The mfr wanted them less brittle for some specific reason
W1 can be hardened to a lot higher Rc than 55, so I wouldn't draw the conclusion you did based simply on Rc hardness.
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Pete S
federal trade commission or other regulatory agency > requirements to mark= HSS/HS on tooling that is sold with this stated > sales literature? > > I'= ve bought 2 metric dies recently on eBay, that the add stated as HSS, > and= testing with my rockwell hardness tester indicates Rc=3D55 and less. > > I= 'm trying to get eBay to stop the minions of sellers from stating this > wi= thout it being marked on the tool. > > Every HSS tool I have is marked. I'm= trying to build a set of low cost > metric dies (have the taps). > > ignat= or With or without the FTC getting involved, if you want to buy stuff that = you can trust, buy it from a reputable source. There are good folks selling= on eBay, but it's the internet equivalent of an abandoned parking lot full= of guys selling stuff out of the backs of their pick-up trucks -- "buyer b= eware" is the rule of the day, and try not to get robbed on your way out. S= o being an eBay vendor is somewhat anti-reputable right there. I wouldn't l= ook for good quality on eBay unless I recognized the vendor's name and knew= them to be honest. -- My liberal friends think I'm a conservative kook. My= conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook. Why am I not happy that the= y have found common ground? Tim Wescott, Communications, Control, Circuits = & Software
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I have never had a problem with buying inexpensive HSS dies. I'm not doing= serious production, but 25 years ago, I was making bolts from 1/2" rebar, = and threading 1/2-13tpi on each end. I was still ignorant to tooling, and = thought that those hex dies that I could get at the farm supply store were = real good. After destroying 4 of them, I talked to the local machine shop = that sold tooling also, this old gal said, "those are rethreading dies carb= on steel" her price was 4x the rethreading version. I got some China HSS m= ade ones from her, bought 3 but only used one to make 45 of the bolts. And= that was with mystery metal in the rebar. So I learned the value of HSS. = I'm looking to get a set cheap, but if every vendor thinks they can say th= eir dies are HSS, and believe this, is theres some sort of truth in adverti= sing going on here. eBay is pretty hard over about misrepresentation. So n= ow I ask if they are marked with HSS before. Well I'm back to $12+/die (sm= all ones) from Enco or some other vendor. It don't take too many to get out= of hand. Even the sets on ebay ~$100-$160 the sellar's say are not marked HSS, but t= heir vendor tells them they are. And as I said, I've always seen HSS marked, and when I test them they are R= c=3D65 or so. I HATE the "NEW" google group. It don't work with IE8, I can't tell where t= his is going to be posted. Ya, I should spend $120/year to pay for a newsn= et provider. That will buy have a set of cheap tooling. ignator
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fredhababorbitz
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Short of doing a destructive test, like heat them to red hot, let them air cool and test to see if they are airhardening tool steel, as I believe HSS is M2 or in that family of tool steel. I know I can pay for quality, but I don't want to tie up $500 on a set. As is I have all the taps back when they were easy to get of ebay, and cheap to ship. I really expect that HSS is a badge of honor that any tool maker would mark on their product, and not just have the miniouns of ebay seller claiming to be so. What I was looking for was ammunician that requires this to be marked on the tooling if sold with that claim. ignator
Reply to
fredhababorbitz
$35 a year at Forteinc (2.95/month) for 15G per month.
Reply to
Spehro Pefhany
Fortunately..most...most..nearly all are reputable sellers. The rare ones who sell shoddy goods camoflauged to look like higher quality goods...or those ignorant of the details of the items they do sell...are the fly in the ointment.
Gunner
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.
- Jeff Cooper
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Gunner
A very very very good deal and the news reader is quite good as well.
And there are a host of utterly free news readers that are also quite good. And then there are the pirated copies that are available everywhere.
Might I suggest Agent 1.93?
Gunner
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.
- Jeff Cooper
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Gunner
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Ive got about 50-100 pounds of dipped GOOD taps of various sizes. What size do you need?
These came out of an American factory I shut down a few years ago. I do have some metrics as well. But I have few dies.
Gunner
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.
- Jeff Cooper
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Gunner
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One would think that heat treatment may be selective to the cutting area, particularly if they were the split adjustable type of dies that need to flex a bit without breaking.
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Pete C.
My local scrap yard has a xrf.
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Dan
Reply to
dcaster
Cost of going the low price way. Buy a quality one once a month or week or so. Buy from a high quality company.
The same issue is on 'ti drills' - looks pretty with crap metal inside. They advertize Tough TI drills...
Buy quality drills with the coating. Not crap drills with the coating.
Martin
to mark HSS/HS on tooling that is sold with this stated sales literature?
testing with my rockwell hardness tester indicates Rc=55 and less.
without it being marked on the tool.
dies (have the taps).
Reply to
Martin Eastburn
How do they perform when cutting. Are the cutting edges hardened and the die itself not hard so it can be held tight with a set screw ?
Martin
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Reply to
Martin Eastburn
Best take it to a lab and find what metal is in it. Hardness isn't everything. I buy pre-hardened steel sheets. It is a water based normally. Often chrome-molly-etc alloy.
But without the process, who knows what the normal alloy is.
Martin
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Martin Eastburn
How about a 5/8-27 tap & die? Not a common item. They are used on microphone stands & some RF connectors.
Reply to
Michael A. Terrell
Ill check in the morning. Though to be honest..nearly all of mine are the common sizes.
Gunner
One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence." I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some cases I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.
- Jeff Cooper
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Gunner
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NewsGuy: $24 a year for 3G a month (way more than enough unless you're into binaries):
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Bob
Reply to
Bob Engelhardt
I doubt that you'll have them. You could just post a note & keep an eye out when you're looking for ones you need, instead of wasting the time. :)
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Michael A. Terrell

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