- posted 16 years ago
Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Gunner
wrote on Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:11:54 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
German. ANSI fur Deutschlander.
JT #2-1/2 means exactly that!
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- posted 16 years ago
According to Norm Dresner :
I don't think that anyone doubted you. We were simply hoping
that the drill press spindle was made in such a way as to allow
a replaceable arbor, so it would be easy to change to other Jacobs taper
sizes. (And some of your earlier terminology suggested that it was so
equipped.)
Since there is no such feature, you are stuck with your existing chuck (which, IIRC, was not that bad for a typical drill press chuck) -- especially the ones from China and Taiwan.
It *might* be that the same manufacturer made a version of the drill press with a spindle with a Morse taper socket -- and if so, changing one of those into the drill press might increase your options.
Good Luck, DoN.
Since there is no such feature, you are stuck with your existing chuck (which, IIRC, was not that bad for a typical drill press chuck) -- especially the ones from China and Taiwan.
It *might* be that the same manufacturer made a version of the drill press with a spindle with a Morse taper socket -- and if so, changing one of those into the drill press might increase your options.
Good Luck, DoN.
- posted 16 years ago
According to Norm Dresner :
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O.K. I see where some of the confusion came from. The manual calls the Jacobs taper on the end of the spindle a Morse taper -- which is totally incorrect.
Also -- it is a smaller drill press than I was considering, so a Morse taper in the spindle is quite unlikely. There just is not room for one of reasonable size. My floor-standing one only has a MT-2, and I would prefer a MT-3 in that one. Yours *might* accommodate a MT-1, but that would be too small to be worth the trouble.
Good Luck, DoN.
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O.K. I see where some of the confusion came from. The manual calls the Jacobs taper on the end of the spindle a Morse taper -- which is totally incorrect.
Also -- it is a smaller drill press than I was considering, so a Morse taper in the spindle is quite unlikely. There just is not room for one of reasonable size. My floor-standing one only has a MT-2, and I would prefer a MT-3 in that one. Yours *might* accommodate a MT-1, but that would be too small to be worth the trouble.
Good Luck, DoN.
- posted 16 years ago
430 No such article
222 78997 body
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Actually it could be correct, Don.
According to Jacobs:
"DIN Taper Interchangeability DIN tapered sections are identical to the following Morse tapers:
MT No 1 for tapers B10 and B12 MT No 2 for tapers B16 and B18 MT No 3 for tapers B22 and B24
The length of these tapers is, of course, distinctly less than the overall length of the corresponding Morse taper. Each taper may be regarded as corresponding approximately to that part of the Morse taper nearest the small end(for example: B10), or to the part nearest the large end (for example: B12)"
Tom
According to Jacobs:
"DIN Taper Interchangeability DIN tapered sections are identical to the following Morse tapers:
MT No 1 for tapers B10 and B12 MT No 2 for tapers B16 and B18 MT No 3 for tapers B22 and B24
The length of these tapers is, of course, distinctly less than the overall length of the corresponding Morse taper. Each taper may be regarded as corresponding approximately to that part of the Morse taper nearest the small end(for example: B10), or to the part nearest the large end (for example: B12)"
Tom
- posted 16 years ago
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Intersting information. Of course, it still should not be *called* a Morse taper, as that leads to the expectation of a socket in the spindle, and a certain length, neither of which is met.
I wonder whether the choice of basing the DIN tapers on the Morse tapers is because there were plenty of precise gauges already around for checking the taper?
And I'm still wondering where that 2-1/2 Jacobs taper came from on the machine's label -- and a taper which appears to be closer to that than anything else, even though there is no mention of a 2-1/2 Jacobs taper in _Machinery's Handbook_ -- at least not in the 25th edition. Just a "No. 2 short taper", which is not truly a half of a #2 taper. :-)
Enjoy, DoN.
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Intersting information. Of course, it still should not be *called* a Morse taper, as that leads to the expectation of a socket in the spindle, and a certain length, neither of which is met.
I wonder whether the choice of basing the DIN tapers on the Morse tapers is because there were plenty of precise gauges already around for checking the taper?
And I'm still wondering where that 2-1/2 Jacobs taper came from on the machine's label -- and a taper which appears to be closer to that than anything else, even though there is no mention of a 2-1/2 Jacobs taper in _Machinery's Handbook_ -- at least not in the 25th edition. Just a "No. 2 short taper", which is not truly a half of a #2 taper. :-)
Enjoy, DoN.
- posted 16 years ago
| Hi Norm,
|
| I've been following this discussion for the while and I
| finally had to go take a look in the dungeon. I see some
| more ideas/info has popped up since I wrote this too...
|
| I have two presses wearing AMT badges and they are probably
| the same as yours. Here is an image for comparison:
|
|
Yes, Leon, those are the exact same "models" that I have. I've posted my scan of the "manual" in the dropbox at
Yes, it certainly appears to be a JT6. Knowing that, I searched Enco
Thanks very much for the info
Norm
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|
| These were both made in Taiwan. See the following image of
| one of the name plates and note "Made in" at the bottom of
| the plate. The company American Machine and Tool Inc is in
| PA, but these weren't made there.
|
|
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|Yes, Leon, those are the exact same "models" that I have. I've posted my scan of the "manual" in the dropbox at
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the measurements I made in the accompanying text file.Yes, it certainly appears to be a JT6. Knowing that, I searched Enco
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JT6 chucks and came up with 4 ranging from $18 to $84 at
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so there may be new chucks available after all.Thanks very much for the info
Norm
- posted 16 years ago
Hi Norm,
Is you're press badged as made in Taiwan too (now that you know where to look)? I don't think mine are quite as old as yours, probably bought in the mid to late 70's. They are subtly different too. The slightly newer one doesn't have the nut for removing the chuck, nor any threads for one. The manual that came with that press still pictures it in the parts diagram/list though. Instructions for removing the chuck still tell you to turn the non-existent nut too. This is also the manual that calls it a Jacobs taper. Just eyeballing them though it appears to be the same taper. I only popped off the chuck on the press that has a threaded nut :)
You might want to check how much play there is when you run the quill down and inch or two. As I mentioned, mine are really loose. I don't know what the other readers opinions are, but for drilling tiny holes I don't think this would be a good thing.
Is you're press badged as made in Taiwan too (now that you know where to look)? I don't think mine are quite as old as yours, probably bought in the mid to late 70's. They are subtly different too. The slightly newer one doesn't have the nut for removing the chuck, nor any threads for one. The manual that came with that press still pictures it in the parts diagram/list though. Instructions for removing the chuck still tell you to turn the non-existent nut too. This is also the manual that calls it a Jacobs taper. Just eyeballing them though it appears to be the same taper. I only popped off the chuck on the press that has a threaded nut :)
You might want to check how much play there is when you run the quill down and inch or two. As I mentioned, mine are really loose. I don't know what the other readers opinions are, but for drilling tiny holes I don't think this would be a good thing.
- posted 16 years ago
Not sure if anyone else posted on this (I'm 2500 posts behind in my reading)
but the measurements of the J2-1/2 sure do look the same as the J6 which you
don't show.
If they are the same, you can get a J6 chuck...
Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 (908) 542-0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:
If they are the same, you can get a J6 chuck...
Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 (908) 542-0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:
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Spindle Drills:
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V8013-R- posted 4 years ago
We're you able to find a replacement for the 2 1/2 in Chuck , too am looking for
one
- posted 4 years ago
I replaced my missing chuck that has the the same spindle listed as a JT# 2-1/2
with an Amazon chuck ----->
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hope this helps
- posted 2 years ago
Chris,
I realize that you posted your response more than 2 years ago, but I would
like to ask you a question. Did the chuck you used grip the spindle well or did
it ever slip during heavy use?
The drill press I have calls for the JT#2 1/2 as well. It has worn to the
point that one has difficulty getting it tight enough with the chuck key to
prevent slippage on the drill bit.
I realize that the differences are small, but they are the reason for my initial question. I would like to know from someone who has actually put it to a prolonged test whether it is a workable solution.
Thank you for your time, Elden
I realize that the differences are small, but they are the reason for my initial question. I would like to know from someone who has actually put it to a prolonged test whether it is a workable solution.
Thank you for your time, Elden
- posted 2 years ago
Chris,
I realize that you posted your response more than 2 years ago, but I would
like to ask you a question. Did the chuck you used grip the spindle well or
did it ever slip during heavy use?
The drill press I have calls for the JT#2 1/2 as well. It has worn to the
point that one has difficulty getting it tight enough with the chuck key to
prevent slippage on the drill bit.
I used an online calculator for finding taper angles
Thank you for your time, Elden
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to compare the two Jacob Tapers. Using the
specifications for the JT #2 1/2 and for the JT #6 that I found, they were
plugged into the calculator. The values obtained were: JT #2 1/2 2.82°
cone angle or 4.929% taper; JT#6 2.97° cone angle or 5.191% taper. The
differences were 0.15° for the cone angle and 0.262% taper.
I realize that the differences are small, but they are the reason for my
initial question. I would like to know from someone who has actually put it to
a prolonged test whether it is a workable solution. Thank you for your time, Elden
- posted 2 years ago
Revisiting this thread- did anyone verify using a jt6 chuck on the one piece jt
2 1/2 spindle? I?m fighting this same question....
- posted 2 years ago
Revisiting this thread- did anyone verify using a jt6 chuck on the one piece
jt 2 1/2 spindle? I?m fighting this same question....
- posted 2 years ago
Chitty,
I have not received any reply to my post except for yours. I was hoping to
hear from someone who has actually had used a JT#6 on the JT #2 1/2 spindle and
has put it through its paces to make sure it doesn't slip. I guess one will have
to take a chance it to see i t will indeed work properly. Have been debating
whether to do that or get a different drill press. By watching Craigslist, I
think one could get a decent press for $50 to $75 that doesn't have the JT#2 1/2.
Elden
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