Korean missile ?

What it is doing is getting Japan really interested in helping us with a missle defense (read working).

I think some of the best minds in the US, Japan, and Israel are working on this. Probably Great Britain also.

Wes S

Oh noes! You do realize that by telling people where you heard it, they'll automatically disregard it, even if it's true?

What you bring up is the difference between "soft" politics and "hard" politics. In N. Korea and many other places you essentially have cult mentality. No amount of bombing, threatening, embargos etc. will change a cult mentality. Those things only serve to cement the resolve of cultists.

Note that the US contains more than it's own share of cutlists who are rah rah government no matter how hypocritically based that rah-rah is nor how many lies are exposed.

Soft politics is very difficult and slow..but you change PEOPLE over time. You can't do soft politics if you hypocritically do such things as "military tribunals" and raids with high levels of "collateral damage". When you say something like the bill of rights is so important to who we are as to be considered "self evident" (yea, a different document), you have to stand by that even when it is not expedient and you don't get to go on TV for a sound bite.

The wise man sets an example which people strive to emmulate..the foolish man tries to make people copy him for their own good.

US politics is currently sorely lacking in wisdom.

Koz

Ed - I don't think you or I could be 100% ourselves if tasked that way. There are far to many variables.

Some of the variables were Democrats: A physical touch was required to be on target. That was Clinton trying to kill ABMs.

The theory of ABM is to get near and take out more than one with a large blast. The blast would spread itself onto and into the incoming and they would crash and burn. A BB would do it - just didn't have a BB gun handy. One of the strategic elements were to have a BB toss - like dumping a bag of marbles on the dance floor - very effective...

The smaller Patriots are meant for Scud type missiles not ICBMs.

Martin

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ED wrote:

From the little I've read on the subject the ABM system that was tested a while back was unsuccessful even though the coordinates of the targets were known for each test. My guess is that the NK missles malfunctioned.

The national news as of today has our President taking a more subdued note on the subject--a reality check after the past few years in the hot seat I believe.

Clinton was just another in a long line--that goes way back to the

The brilliant pebbles approach? I think the current technology is the hitting a bullet with a bullet style--no?

Scuds are a crude ballistic vehicle--same basic theory only shorter time frame and distances. Lots of components that have to be perfect.

The problem as I see it in regards to relying on a abm defense is it only take one to get through. The cold war was much simpler in many ways in comparison to what we have going on now...the legacy of Reagan the devil you know might be better than the one you may awaken....

We really need to start testing the neutron device again, I can think of some good uses for it. The best defense is a good offense.

ED

Let's also not forget that NK missiles are not at all accurate, to the point where they would not be sure in which US state the missile would fall, if it reached the US at all.

So, good chances are that such missile would not hit anything of importance.

I am not really losing sleep over their missiles. (and would not even if I lived on the West Coast).

Maybe they bought their rocket parts from Harbor Freight

Heh! Isn't that a rather strange way to generate revenue? Where I come from, government spending is considered overhead-----and adds nothing to the wealth of a nation----although I readily admit it does shift the money around. Look at it this way------if we build defense objects long enough with reckless abandon, we, as a nation, could go bankrupt. Sound familiar? Isn't that what happened to the old USSR?

Harold

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:08:01 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth:

One could make the case for doing that in another country, too...

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:29:03 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Ignoramus12948 quickly quoth:

Africa has her share of corrupt regimes and starving people, too. Remember Somalia? We made no difference there at all.

FF about 20 years, substitute in "Iraq" for "Somalia."

STill holds true.

Jim

Cheney was all for brilliant pebbles, I have a feeling pebbles will be back to deal with bam-bam ;)

Yep - US Intelligence determined the North Korean's secretly obtained the Harbor Freight navigation system shown here:

All this said and all I can think of is the Saturn 5 rocket. I mean rocketry at this level is not easy.....DUH !

Consider the size of the Saturn 5 rocket. Consider it was built before the existence of powerful computers. Consider the Americans, with eyes wide open, willing to sit on that bomb.

The planning, the coordination, the craftsmanship, the vision !

I am simply dumbfounded at it....and so PROUD of those Americans !

WOW !

I don't ever want to hear this "cultural equivalence" nonsense. This PC fashion of not being willing to measure things. To condemn common sense.

It's evil. These mere Islamo-fascist can't beat a people like that. No way !

I can think of several actually.....

Gunner

"If thy pride is sorely vexed when others disparage your offering, be as lamb's wool is to cold rain and the Gore-tex of Odin's raiment is to gullshit in the gale, for thy angst shall vex them not at all. Yea, they shall scorn thee all the more. Rejoice in sharing what you have to share without expectation of adoration, knowing that sharing your treasure does not diminish your treasure but enriches it."

- Onni 1:33

I'm old enough to remember that we had a lot of "back to the drawing board" incidents back in the

somewhere on the (tv) news i heard something about china using north korea as a bargaining chip for taiwan. made me wonder, not only is china not going to intercede with north korea on our behalf but i wondered if china is actually encouraging or possibly even assisting north korea's missile program. no "cites", just wondering. seems to me it would be to china's benefit for north korea to be as big a PITA to us as possible for leverage with taiwan. reminds me of the criticism kennedy faced after the cuban missile crisis in removing our missiles from turkey.

b.w.

(i've been trying to resist the urge to post here on political topics... but i'm a loser with no social life and this is my only social contact.)

================== There is lots of metal content --- lets hope it is *NOT* scrap metal content?.

==> Its people like you that are a danger to the Republic, thinking -- always thinking.

This administration appears to believe they are this generation's "Blues Brothers" with a mission from god to tell everybody on the face of the earth how to behave and what to believe. This has reached a bazaar level of yada-yada-yada and bla-bla-bla. Not a day goes by that some administration spokesperson is not spouting off about something that is none of their business.

Before we go "over-speed" about the North Korean programs, we need to examine the facts. Korea was known as the hermit kingdom and became a cause of war because both Japan and Russia wanted it. Japan ruled Korea with an iron fist for 50 years. Koreans have long memories.

If not "black letter" law, it is certainly "a very dark shade of gray" law that you are not bound by an agreement to which you were not a party and in which you did not participate. If North Korea is not a signature to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty, as a sovereign nation (and I don't think they are) they have every right to build nuclear weapons. If North Korea is not a signature to the Long-Range Missile Anti-Proliferation pact [which I have never heard of] they have every right to build as many missiles as they like. They have as much right to test missiles over international waters as anyone else.

Of course there is a downside to this, called M.A.D. Only in this case it is A.D.D. Not for Attention Deficit Disorder, but rather Assured Death and Destruction, if they miss-judge, as they are likely to be replaced with the new glowing North Korean sea and South Korea converted into an island nation. Of course China is putting their thumb in Uncle Sam's eye every chance that she gets. Examine history and see how China was treated. Google on "extra-territoriality," and "opium wars." The west is simply being paid back in its own coin.

From a historical standpoint Taiwan/Formosa was Chinese from about 700AD to 1590 when it was occupied by the Portuguese and then the Dutch. It was recovered in 1683 by China and held until

PRC penetration into Africa and South America is awesome. Not only do these areas have the resources the PRC needs it also has the markets for their products. The major trading bloc in South America is Mercosur [Argentina, Brasil, Chile, and now Venezuela, as well as several small countries such as Paraguay and Uruguay - total five member and 5 associate states] See:

Another item of interest was the meeting of the OPEC oil ministers hosted in Brasil.

Yes, China is most likely using the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea as a distraction for Uncle Whiskers, but they are being helped every step of the way by our jabber-jaw officials, combined with our Enron-mafia-IMF banks [e.g. Argentina - see

Unka George (George McDuffee)

There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with the "money touch," but with ideals which in their essence are merely those of so many glorified pawnbrokers.

Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919), U.S. Republican (later Progressive) politician, president. Letter, 15 Nov. 1913.