PDF of 2011 National Electrical Code posted

Let's make sure we're clear on this. I live in Morton Grove, Il. The electrical code for Morton Grove is the Chicago Electric code. It's the Chicago electric code that is online. Amendments that apply to Morton Grove are on the Morton Grove website.

Just Electric. Morton Grove codes for plumbing, HVAC, etc aren't available online. They refer you other code books, but do have amendments that apply to Morton Grove.

This is the website for Chicago codes. You have to hit "more at the bottom to get the electric chapters. Division 27. It ain't as pretty as a book. And I have no idea how it compares to NEC. Do me a favor will you? If you actually read through the codes and find a part that says "Refer to NEC 2011," keep it yourself, ok?

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--Vic

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Vic Smith
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Well, I didn't find it boring. That kind of story makes my blood boil, but I've lived with them all my life. The foundation and basement of my parent's house was built by the son of Sam the Plumber DeCavalcante. ( he was a high school friend of mine and he built a fine basement).

Based on the court case that was brought up here on Sunday, it's all moot, anyway. It's Katie Bar the Doors -- copyrights are broken once a code is incorporated into law.

I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

I read that court case (5th Circuit) and I can see their reasoning for it. As a practical matter, the NFPA's membership has an interest in getting it accepted and widely used. So there is an interest there that, the court says, overcomes any problems with who is paying whom.

I just watch out for the underlying principle. For most of my life, copyright has been an important issue in my work. I just don't like the idea that people should get all of that work for free.

This time, I'll reverse myself on the issue for this particular set of circumstances. It's not like a private, individual writer having his work taken away.

BTW, my library has a good set of code books and I've used them for over 30 years. They're in the reference section so you can't take them out, but it works for me. If I were working on my plumbing or electrical night and day, like I did 30 years ago, I might feel differently.

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Ed Huntress

I tossed this one out to see the reactions. I worked for MITRE, which is structured as a private company doing public-interest consulting funded by federal contracts, another approach to expert technical assistance not subject to bureaucratic and political overhead.

I took the governmentese writing classes, though I wrote only manuals and circuit descriptions. The instructor mostly discussed the various administrative models from the rule-based formalism of a bank to the wild-west power struggles Harold Geneen encouraged at ITT.

We have never agreed on a single model for functions that combine private and public interest. We range from phone-pole monopolies for otherwise private utilities through complete government control (NASA), and some like water works may flop back and forth. Fire departments were once private companies. In the case of the NEC volunteers create standards that become law, a de facto practical compromise between private special interest and elected authority.

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to the Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve is independent within government in that "its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government." However, its authority is derived from the U.S. Congress and is subject to congressional oversight.

jsw

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Jim Wilkins

That has always worked well, hasn't it? (see "fox guarding henhouse" scenario)

-- Make up your mind to act decidedly and take the consequences. No good is ever done in this world by hesitation. -- Thomas H. Huxley

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Larry Jaques

They all have the same pool of talent available. When the inefficiency or abuses become excessive we make corrections, like nationalize the railroads or privatize space launches.

jsw

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Jim Wilkins

My son works for one of those policy institutes, in health care. It works mostly on government consulting contracts, with some foreign and private contracts tossed in.

That's a dilemma that results from inherent conflicts between a democratic government and private capitalism. We muddle through, but it's a case-by-case thing.

The Federal Reserve is one of the most extreme cases. It depends entirely on the ability of the decision-makers, and their integrity in the face of political pressure.

So far it's worked amazingly well, but we are now living through some of the consequences of ideological conflicts within the Fed. There is no way that I can see to improve it. Having Congress control it would be an absolute disaster -- as it was, before the Fed was created.

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Ed Huntress

HAHahohoho...my fingers slipped off of the home keys while I was watching TV over my shoulder.

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Ed Huntress

Over your shoulder? I have put my desktop on a portable laptop cart like this:

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Only I have it pushed over to the right and turned 90 where the long part is sticking out in the room. I can see my TV and my computer at the same time. The cart is over far enough so my recliner can put out the leg rest. The tower is also turned 90 so it fits entirely on the cart.

I still can't figure out why nothing gets done around here. :)

(BTW there is no way the tower in the picture can be a mid sized tower. The cart is too narrow for it to fit the way it looks in the picture) My mid sized tower measures 18 inches front to back. The outside to outside distance of the two uprights on the table are only

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Metspitzer

That's very nice. That's a lot like the setup I used years ago, although yours looks a lot nicer. Mine was a converted typing table. Now I have a home-built corner desk that faces directly away from the TV. Usually I just sort-of-listen to the news, but there was something I wanted to see and, from habit, I just kept typing.

I always type my name so I don't forget it. d8-)

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Ed Huntress

One of the three monitors in front of me is a small HDTV, a 22" Vizio plugged into the computer that records HDTV. Usually it's switched directly to the TV cable and the power-hungry computer turned off.

jsw

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Jim Wilkins

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