ping ! Winston Smith

Have you EVER posted metalworking content here ? Cites , please . I'm tossing everybody that doesn't . Politics I can get at AS or on teevee ,
metalworking content is what this group is about . Enough is enough , and if we all get together and killfile multi-group and political posters this will be a much more pleasant place .
Snag Today's metal work was to bend some 1/8 x 1/2 SS flat stock to make pegs to secure my "deer cages" that I have built (did that tues) to go around my fruit trees . Didn't work out so well ... The cages are 36" diameter tubes of 6x6 concrete rewire . All welded construction , same as the tomato cages built last year . I'll be making some more of those too , I need 8 more for the planned tomato patch . The tree cages will also be wrapped with some deer mesh , they can poke their little noses thru a 6x6 and nibble the new growth .
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:04:07 -0600

I'm pretty sure Winston is here due to cross-posting...

I have several tomato cages made from 4" x 4" square fencing that is 4 ft high. I pound in a fencing T-post (5 or 6 ft) and then wire the cage to it for support. You can find T-posts at stores catering to farm fencing and such. Like this:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplay?storeId 151&beginIndex=0&searchSource=Q&sType=SimpleSearch&searchTerm=t+post
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Leon Fisk wrote:

I shoulda thought of that ... I have a few of those , not enough but the co-op sells 'em for just over 4 bucks each . I was going to drive pegs and string wire , but this is simpler , easier , and doesn't keep my mower away from the cages . I don't worry so much about the tomatoes , but if a deer tipped a tree cage it would do more damage than if I let it nibble . My peach and one cherry tree might already be dead ... I tried all kinds of sprays and stuff last year , nothing worked for more than a few days . Looks like my metalworking for today will be to build a post driver . Got just the materials I need on hand too , sometimes it's good to be a packrat .
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:15:12 -0600

I just push them in a little bit, then use a 6lb sledge hammer. Hold the post steady with one hand and then sledge with the other (choked up on the handle). After you get them down a foot or so you can use both hands on the sledge. Post driver would be nice though.
A deer can/will starve to death with a full stomach. They can eat pretty much anything, just like some stuff better than others ;-)
I had to put a fence around the garden several years ago due to both the deer and rabbits. What the deer didn't damage eating they would walk all over. Fence is only 4ft tall but they have never went over it yet. My fence posts are 6ft tall. Figured I would string a single wire around the top if they still got in by jumping over. Had to run chicken wire along the bottom to keep the rabbits out. They would zip through the 4" x 2" square fence like it wasn't even there...
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Leon Fisk wrote:

Rabbits haven't been a problem , we see very few of them down here in the woods . I have a piece of pipe that will slide over the posts , some 5/16" round stock , and some bigger steel rounds for a cap . That plus a shop full of tools and time on my hands ...
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:59:41 -0600

Year before the fence I took out 14 of them in a months time. They are in full "production" the same time as all our flowers and veggies...
Been going to mention this... I have an old walking tractor that could use some wheel weights. Kinda like your tractor could use some more weight. I think you could take off a wheel, lay it on its side and then make some weights from cement. You'd have to make a circular form to contain the outside edge, lay some plastic on the rim so it would release and of course some bolts into the rim to hold it in place. Maybe some wire, reinforcement in the cement too. Just an idea in case your haven't got anything else to do :)
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Leon Fisk wrote:

That's a great idea ! Not that I lack things to do , but I can sure make the time to do that . Did the bunnies taste good ? I mde a siple pole pounder , works well enough . Next step is making some wire tripods to go on top since the trees are (or will soon be) taller than the 5' width of the rewire I used for cages . First one I used 28" of wire , the rest will get 36" . I knew that coil of heavy galv wire would come in handy some day ... -- Snag
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:20:25 -0600

Wrong time of the year for eating. They have all sorts of parasite trouble during the warm/summer months. Bummer but the old three "s" solution. Shoot, shovel... Once it gets colder out the population drops right off. All the predators, coyote, fox, GH Owl, feral cats... see to it.

A coil of galv wire is a very handy thing to have around :)
I've got a bunch of old wire coat hangers that I cut up and use pieces to attach the cages to the t-posts. Usually work good for one season. Posts get pulled up each year, cleaned off and then stashed till the next.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:45:16 -0400, Leon Fisk

I made a T-post puller for my hi-lift jack. Just a piece of 1/2" plate maybe 6"x3" with a hole to fit over the tongue of the jack and another to slip over the T-post. When the jack starts lifting, the piece over the T-post binds, pulling the post. I saw one in a store for $20, had the plate and a cutting torch, so there ya go.
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:58:02 -0600, Pete Keillor

Good 'un, Pete. I used my engine hoist this morning to pull out a tree/shrub which was too close to the house. With a chain wrapped around it and a tubafore under the working wheels, it came out in about 5 minutes. I lifted it about 5", cut the straining roots with a lopper, and lifted it the rest of the way out. Setup, work, takedown, and storage/burnpile took roughly 20 minutes.
Does anyone know where to get a (reasonably priced) set of springs for a hi-lift jack? Mine was a freebie from a garage sale which had been in a fire. I keep meaning to see if HF has kits. Local 4x4 shops want to sell a $200 replacement to me. To _me_? Hah! <grin>
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:04:14 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:

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Put the following in a google search box: Hi-Lift Fix-It-Kit or see <http://www.hi-lift.com/accessories/fix-it-kit.html for a $15-20 kit with 2 Climbing Pins 2 Climbing Pin Springs 2 Cross Pins 1 Shear Bolt & Nut 1 tube of jack lubricant Are the "Climbing Pin Springs" the springs you referred to?
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:18:14 +0000 (UTC), James Waldby

Whose package reads "WD-40". <g>

Yes. And those exact same kits are available from $17 to $39.98 (plus possible s/h) depending upon your source. It really amazes me, since entire farm jacks can be purchased for that same $39.95.
These hi-lift jacks are going for $298 in "1st Responder" uniform (paint). <thud>
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wrote:

My youthful experiences with bumper jacks convinced me to raise unstable loads by hoisting from above whenever possible. Given that I have a 1 ton shop crane and a 2 ton chainfall on a tripod, what would a hi lift jack do better besides ride in the pickup bed? -jsw
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:01:49 -0500

They work like a "winch" too for pulling stuff. Not a lot of distance before you have to stop and rejigger but if you are stuck in the boonies...
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wrote:

BTDT. The most useful thing I carried was a folding pruning saw to cut a tree trunk lever to repeatedly lift the car and let rocks piled against the tire fall into the rut, and then to cut short pieces to make a few feet of corduroy track. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corduroy_road
The chain fall has served me as a slow and awkward manual winch. For horizontal pulls a lever hoist is a much better choice. The jack is more pull for a lot less money than a big lever hoist, though.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:44:27 -0500

I had an inexpensive folding saw break on me out in the boonies. It worked like a big jackknife. Problem is they are weak side-to-side in the pivot/fold area. Thankfully I was only cutting a small blow-down on the way into a secluded area. Lesson learned though. Be careful with then or carry a more rugged saw :)

I consider the hi-lift jacks as problem solvers. They aren't the best for any particular job but will get the job done for many.
Have you seen the cable gripper type winches? Griphoist stuff:
http://tractel.com/us/series.php?id_serieG
(Amazon.com product link shortened)
http://www.bairstow.com/Griphoist-Tirfor-Wire-Rope-Hoists-p/ghwh.htm
God awful expensive but would be nice to have at times...
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wrote:

The Coghlan folding saw has been fine for me, but I rarely break anything anyway.

I'm looking for examples of what they can do that something else couldn't. I don't like that they can tip the load onto the operator so easily.

I have a pair of mountaineering ascenders that grip like that on kernmantle. Unlike Prusik knots they don't need tension on the bottom of the rope. They tear up Walmart rope.
I looked into those cable pullers after watching a power crew use one to string up new lines. Most of the pulling I do is at ground level where I can make short pulls, stop and shorten the lines. When I have to change the lean of a large tree I use two pullers alternately.
The PBS show on salvaging the Costa Concordia has a cutaway animation of the hydraulic jacks with fixed and moving cable gripper jaws that pulled the ship upright.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 19:06:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"

Hi, Jim. I bought my hi-lift jack in 1974, when I got my CJ-5. I spent about 15 years surf fishing. I used it primarily to get other folks unstuck, one or two a year.
One of my favorites was a couple of dudes in a short bed 4x4 Ford truck with monster tires and a lift kit that tried to cross a slough behind the beach between Sargent and Brown Cedar Cut. My (future) wife and I were on our way down the beach when we saw a Bronco with two women and a bunch of kids coming back. A little further on, there were these two bozos waving us down with the truc in the slough.
They asked if I could pull them out. I looked, and the top of their monster tires were sticking out about an inch out of the 2" of water and who knows how deep mud. The diff must have been at least a foot under. So I told them I couldn't pull them out, but could get them out. We tried once with my 50' 3/4" nylon rope, no go. Duh.
Here's where the jack comes in. I had them get in that stinky bog, and started dragging in driftwood. The procedure is keep pumping boards into the bog with the jack. Luckily they had a big brush guard so something was high enough out to receive the jack. It took about an hour, and many boards, but finally the jack started to take a load. It looked like the brush guard was going to bend, so I had them stop, then take another bite.
Finally, there was a little sucking sound, and the front tires came up less than an inch. We kept at it until the front was up and they got boards under the tires. Then I went back to the rope and yanked them out first try.
After, they asked what they owed, and I said I didn't care. They were black mud head to toe. One of them dug in his pocket and handed Brenda a wad of mud and money. Then they told us that as soon as they got stuck, their wives and kids turned around in a Bronco and left. Ouch.
We had a nice meal at Gaido's on that money after Brenda washed it off. Don't remember catching any fish that day.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:01:49 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"

My first and favorite bumper jack (1957) consisted of a bsae plate with a dimple in the centre, a 3/4"' acme threaded rod crrying a hook and a crank handle on top. Put it in the centre of the bumper and with the steadying influence of a couple buddies, crank her up and move her sidewise; repeat as required to get back on the road. Unfortunately the rod got bent and it never worked right afterward. Dangerous but handy at times.
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wrote:

2 springs, despite the extra goodies included in the kit, so I'll keep looking. Perhaps it's time for me to disassemble it and put the springs in the truck so I can match them up when I find a local spring repository. Doh!
The First Responder video on the Hi-Lift site is great. I'm sure I'll remember some of the more innovative uses for the jack. I've been using an old bumper jack for lots of things, like lifting porch roofs off the railings to replace them. A 1-1/4" square steel tube fits well if you grind the stops off the top for the tube to slide down.
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