Small cyclone separator bins

Nov 09, 2024 Last reply: 1 year ago 29 Replies

Apologies if this is considered off topic, but maybe a shop worker knows where to find what I'm looking for.



For several years now I'ved used a small cyclone separator and shop vac in an over-the-shoulder arrangement for outdoor cleanup and sometimes confined space excavation in soil. Here's an image:

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The problem is the lid on the plastic bucket: The buckets, despite being throwaways, hold up fine. The lids, not so much. Usually they crack at the outer edge. Even a tiny leak below the cyclone totally disrupts the separation process and the lid has to be replaced.



I've looked for a better container for a few years and found nothing suitable. A stout, wide mouth plastic jar with either a flat side or a lid big enough to mate to the 5" bottom flange on the cyclone is what I've sought to no avail.



Does anybody know of such a thing, or a workable alternative?



Thanks for reading,



bob prohaska


I'd call ULINE and ask.

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Joe

Thanks Joe! It looks like

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very close to what I want and didn't even know they exist 8-|

bob prohaska

I can't see the original post for some reason.

When I lived in the US I got a few plastic screw top olive barrels from a local deli to use for brewing beer, they were larger than the tub shown but quite a bit more substantial so it might be worth asking if you have one in your area.

Joe beat me to it ... check local places that cater to the "survivalist" type mindset , these screw top buckets are popular with that crowd .

Because this is an over-the-shoulder rig frequently used on a ladder I'd prefer it stay fairly small. A 5 gallon bucket is very clumsy even when totally empty. A 3.5 gallon size, which appears to be the smallest available singly, might be ok if it's not too full. The 2.5 gallon size shown by Uline has to be ordered five at a time. Even that size gets clumsy if it's half full of dirt, though in that case hopefully I won't be on a ladder 8-)

Quite a few of the screw top buckets have a deep relief molded into the lid, probably for stiffness. It's much better for the lid to have a stiff rim and a nearly-flat center, like the Uline or

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to seal the bottom flange of the cyclone.

The key to the goose chase seems to be the term "screw top pail", which never occurred to me.

Thanks to everybody who replied!

bob prohaska

Can you think of any names to look for? I've tried some of the big boxes (Target, Walmart, Tractor supply, Home Depot, Lowes) and struck out. I'm near Sacramento, CA.

Thanks for writing!

bob prohaska

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Maybe Military Surplus stores. I get some hits searching Ebay for screw top pails too...

I've found buckets seem to come in "grades." Drywall buckets only hold up marginally better than retail buckets. Paint buckets are a mixed bag. The buckets I get from industrial suppliers full of coolant and way oil seem to be quite good. Both lid and bucket. The problem with coolant buckets is the pour spout in the lid. That being said I save the buckets, to be reused all the time, but the lids tend to go in the dumpster except for the buckets I use for waste oil.

I have two way oil buckets in the freezer in my shop full of ice right now. When I go fishing I dump one of them in my cooler and slide the full one over, and put the newly empty one under the ice maker. They have held up quite well inspite of the cold, and the ones laying around the shop have of course held up well enough to the heat.

The lids on retail buckets are terrible. So are the buckets.

Also, there is a separator that snaps on in place of a lid if I recall. No clue how well it works. I do have a couple separators similar to the one you pictured I'll be playing with soon. I am going to try using two buckets on the new CNC router. One for wood chips, and one for metal chips... well eventually.

Hmm. The places to look are the politically red areas.

Joe

Can you think of any names to look for? I've tried some of the big boxes (Target, Walmart, Tractor supply, Home Depot, Lowes) and struck out. I'm near Sacramento, CA.

Thanks for writing!

bob prohaska

------------------------------------------ You might ask restaurants for emptied food containers, Mayo for instance comes in 1 gallon screw top bottles. A picture of your rig might help convince them you won't be making drugs in it.

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I once bought a batch of pickle buckets on eBay for a chemical bath process. Nobody cared... well... I had to clean the buckets several times before they quit reeking of pickles.

I once bought a batch of pickle buckets on eBay for a chemical bath process. Nobody cared... well... I had to clean the buckets several times before they quit reeking of pickles.

A local farm supply has 2000 litre plastic screw top barrels that were used to ship orange squash concentrate, they sell them for water butts. I had a look at them as a replacement for my mother's galvanised steel water butt that was beyond repair but they were too tall, taking the lid off they still smelled of orange concentrate. I used a black 1000 litre IBC container in the end. Another local guy used to sell smaller barrels for water butts that had been used to ship vinegar in.

When I needed some small containers like the OP wanted I just went down to the local shop that did a sandwich round in the local area and they were happy to give them to me as they had to pay to dispose of them. They held catering quantities of mayonnaise and other ingredients.

Last time I needed a flat lid for a five gallon bucket I bought one at home depot. for smaller size, could you ge away with reinforceing the original with sheet metal plates sandwiching the original (well "buttered" with caulking compoud).

A local farm supply has 2000 litre plastic screw top barrels that were used to ship orange squash concentrate, they sell them for water butts. I had a look at them as a replacement for my mother's galvanised steel water butt that was beyond repair but they were too tall, taking the lid off they still smelled of orange concentrate. I used a black 1000 litre IBC container in the end. Another local guy used to sell smaller barrels for water butts that had been used to ship vinegar in.

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I bought a blue barrel with attached lid for fire fighting water storage out back. It had held coffee concentrate that still flavored water after several soapy water flushes. Plastic fittings for the bungs are easy to find, except for one that seals around a pipe reaching to the bottom, so I had to hang it horizontal from shed roof beams.

The water refills the garden sprayers modified with sink spray hoses that serve as brush fire extinguishers in summer and for showering with water heated on the wood stove in winter.

I made bulkhead fittings to convert trash cans to rain barrels by lathe threading the barbed end of a pipe to hose adapter. The o ring seal is on the outside, the inside needs a reinforcing washer to spread the lateral pull of a connected hose. For convenience the outside hose is a clear vinyl tube long enough to reach and attach to the carrying handle, with an in-line plastic garden hose valve on the end. The hose extension lets the barrel hide in the bushes. The covering strainer is 1/4" hardware cloth formed into a volcano shape, a cone with a crater in the top, plus landscape fabric or window screen to filter roof debris and block mosquitos.

The fixed gutter downspout ends above barrel height to attach an accordion flex tube to feed the barrel in summer and a straight down section in winter. If you don't mind the appearance the flex tube works fine in winter too.

That would point toward rural communities and the Sierra foothills. Plenty of possibilities, but they're harder to do business with.

Thanks again for giving me the needed keywords. As usual, the trick to learning is asking the right questions.....

bob prohaska

Utz brand snacks such as Pub Mix come in sturdy clear PETE 20 oz cannisters and 44 oz barrels with wide screw tops.

It appears that Walmart sells Pub Mix, but it isn't clear the jar or lid is big enough to bolt the cyclone's five inch outlet flange to. The clear jar is a plus, but building an adapter flange is not.

I've ordered a screw-top 3.5 gallon bucket from Amazon, now on its way from Indiana. Should be here early next week. That's a bit larger than I wanted but seems a close-enough match to needs for an experiment. The key will be the quality of the lid and its seal to the bucket.

Thanks for writing!

bob prohaska

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