Taking apart a large transformer

Jan 03, 2005 195 Replies

Meh, I picked it up pretty well on my own (though under the slag I am still finding beads attached to only one piece of work :P ). I learn pretty quickly though.

For stick and TIG, you need an AC or DC output with current limiting. For MIG, you need an adjustable constant voltage output.

The first is done by either a series inductor or resistor, or more commonly, a transformer specifically designed to be lossy. The losses (mainly inductive) are adjustable by what's called a magnetic shunt, which effectively splits the transformer in two, magnetic field-wise.

The second, MIG, is done by taking a standard transformer (which has good regulation, meaning the voltage does not drop much when a load is applied - aka, constant voltage) and adding taps to it. So you might have 240V primary down to 15, 20, 25, 30, 35V taps on the secondary.

Looking at your transformer, it appears to have two windings, a small one on the bottom and a large one on top, seperated by laminated iron (the same construction as the main iron core) magnetic shunts. (Or are those wood blocks??) I'm guessing this is a ferroresonant transformer, and the oil can caps were the resonant part.

Meaning: primary is loosely coupled to the secondary, which has a certain value of inductance. Combined with the capacitance, it resonates at 60Hz. By constructing the transformer properly, it can be ran on the edge of saturation in the secondary (top) side - if primary voltage increases, it saturates more and stops working as well. (Saturation is where the iron core simply stops accepting a larger magnetic field, it maxes out.) If primary voltage drops (brownout), it comes out of saturation, efficiency goes up and secondary voltage remains constant.

That's my guess. Depending on the windings, your transformer may be welder ready right now!

Tim

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Right. Same as the fish that are contaminated.

And as I pointed out, I don't know enough for "laminations and windings" to mean anything at that point in the discussion. My goal was to get him to slow down and wait for a little more input from others. You don't really have a problem with that, do you?

At what point in this thread did I claim to be an expert? Let's simplify:

1) OP says he has a transformer. His question contains clues which make sense to people who know more than I do about transformers. 2) People who know more than I do have not yet joined the discussion, at the moment when I posted my first comment. Matter of fact, mine was the first response to his question. 3) I suggested he investigate further, which the OP (and a few observers) thought was a fair suggestion. 4) A number of people decided it was a good day to hurl insults because that somehow distracts them from their little, tiny pee-pees and their powerless lives.

Get it?

Send to: "Bob" Tent Site 118 Nick's Lake State Park Old Forge NY

ROFL!

At the very least, I will need to read a good book.

I see.

A resistor would lead to a lot of wasted energy, no?

Oh, I see.

I am going by memory, but you are right and the separator looks more like iron to me.

Interesting.

Wow, that would be interesting. I told my wife that I might make a welder out of that transformer, she displayed relatively little reaction.

In other words: the hypothesis is that the transformer is designed to saturate so that the output on the secondary winding is limited by that. If this hypothesis is true, then, I can weld using current from the small secondary winding.

i

He doesn't need to "Slow Down", you need to keep up with the thread, and read what the OP stated in the first place, and COMPREHEND what he wrote. The rest of us certainly understood what he stated, and your whole PCB thing was just "Off the Wall" because it was obvious to the rest of the UNIVERSE, that he had a dry transformer..............

Me

Give the UNIVERSE a break, and stop with the "Tommyboy Beno" type replys. You just can't admit that you posted, before thinking, and the rest of the UNIVERSE, caught you at it, and commented.

Me

Mine was the 2nd post in the discussion, so there WAS no thread to keep up with. Is that clear, or do you need a diagram?

As far as comprehending what he wrote, if I knew enough to extrapolate from his description, I would not have asked my question. However, as it turned out, it seems there *are* some parts in his UPS that may require careful handling due to PCBs.

Correct.

No, there is no PCB in that UPS. The sealed capacitors do not contain PCB.

i

It wouldn't have mattered WHAT I thought. Based on my slim knowledge of transformers, the information was enough enough for ME to know that his were not dangerous. Why is it such a problem for YOU that I suggested he be cautious for what.....4 hours until he knew a little more?

...or...."NOT enough" - excuse the typo.

Off in my chunk of the universe his reply seemed reasonable even if better replies came along later. OTOH, you have come across as an asshole and have provided no information of any use at all.

50 lbs? We have it by the bin full. Mostly #6 to 650 MCM. I beleive you would have to leave a bin and then pick it up full later to compete with the current scrapper.

You sure spent a lot of time trying to convince me you don't knwo what I am talking about...LOL

You obviously know nothing about scrap metals. The purity of the copper is not related to the price. It is the purity of the mix. Copper with anything mixed in with it or bonded to it is classed as "mixed copper". You may have to pay the scrapper to haul it away.

There

Uh huh.

yawn.

Harold

Maybe, if they are line voltage AC capacitors. If they are polarized, for DC or pulsed DC, with one terminal marked +positive and the other -negative, they are electrolytic capacitors, without PCBs.

Electrolytic capacitors have a conductive electrolyte in them, and if they leak they can cause a short. I had a television set damaged that way from a leaking electrolytic capacitor - ZAP!

CM

But still what???? You just can't get your mind around the issue that you posted comments that had NO Bearing on the OP's question........ No PCB's anywhere in the stated unit. The UNIVERSE knew this before the first reply post happened. Apparently you did not, but posted your lack of knowledge anyway......

Me

The OP is aware of something he knew less about before this thread. There is nothing wrong with knowledge.

In the 1980s, there was a cartoonist named Kliban, sort of a predecessor of Gary Larson (Far Side). In one of his cartoons, there's a Neanderthal sort of creature using a long stick to open a book from a distance, as if he's afraid it might bite him. Sounds like you.

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