Sorry, but that's merely an assertion lacking any basis. After all, gun control clearly isn't halting violent crime. Indeed, no one has been able to show any causal reduction in increased gun control laws and the overall rates of violent crime.
Further, I wasn't aware that violent crime required a specific weapon to commit.
True but guns are so much more efficient and effective
The USA has about 100 million law-abiding adults owing 400 million firearms and over 100 billion rounds of ammo, none of which are ever used in criminal activity. Gun control laws aren't needed to control them because they are already peaceful law abiding folk. Meanwhile, criminal critters won't be stopped by gun control laws, and there are already other laws on the books to punish their criminal activities.
How do you get this number
owing 400 million
Out of his coal chute. In 2010, the total population was about 308.7 million, of whom about 74.1 million were age 18 or younger, leaving an adult population of around 234 million. The total population today is estimated at 323 million, so if the age distribution is about the same, that means there about 245 million adults. If Fuckwit is saying there are 100 million law-abiding adults, that means he's saying there are 145 million adult criminals; or, only about 40% of the adult population is law-abiding. What a f****it!
It's bullshit, of course, because while the number of guns in circulation may be high, the number of gun *owners* is falling, and the percentage of households with guns is at an all-time low.
Now that crazy f****it, Ol' Unka R.D., is going to start blabbering again about how the survey data are bad, because he and other gun-nutz lie to the surveyors. And as I always point out, there is no reason at all to think that the rate of false responses to the survey has risen, and obviously quite a few people *do* report that they own guns, so if the percentage who say they own guns has fallen over time, then the percentage that *actually* own guns has also fallen.
Prove it. Oh, you can't. Never mind.
Done, but I'll do it again:
There is. It's called the General Social Survey.
Stop lying, shitbag.
Rudy Canoza wrote in news:tybcB.178933$ snipped-for-privacy@fx38.iad:
And I will post rebutting surveys:
Population
1960 - 180,670,000 2013 - 316,860,000Delta - + 136,190,000 75.4% Increase of over 75%
Households
Year # of households
1960 - 52,799,000 2013 - 122,459,000Delta - + 69,660,000 75.8% Damn, again, an increase of over 75%.
Gallup Poll households with guns
Year Pct With guns
1960 - 49% - 25,871,000 2013 - 42% - 51,432,000Delta - + - 25,561,000 More households with guns. Shit, look at this. An increase of households of over 25,000.
Year Pct Households With Guns
1973 - 47.0% 69,859,000 32,833,730 2013 - 33.1% 122,459,000 40,533,929Delta - 52,600,000 7,700,209 More households with guns Even here....
Or 8 million more homes with guns under the NORC survey and approximately
25 million more households with guns per Gallup. In either case, the number of households with guns has risen not dropped. The percentage is less but the actual number is greater.
You didn't. We're not interested in the absolute number. Only the percentage matters.
If the population is 10 and five people own guns, and now the population increases by 10 times to 100 but only seven people own guns, then guns have become massively less popular even though the absolute number of gun owners has increased.
The absolute numbers mean nothing; only percentages.
Rudy Canoza wrote in news:X3scB.275460$AG1.268877 @fx42.iad:
population
Until you stumble in a drunken stupor after an evening of congratulating yourself on agreeing with those who say that the number of households with guns has increased. I have stated that the percentage of houses has dropped several times in this newsgroup when I danced with dechucka. You should have paid attention.
Gun ownership is up in America. So why isn't the media telling you about it? John Lott
By John R. Lott Published September 08, 2016 Fox News Facebook Twitter livefyre Email Print FILE- Handguns are displayed in the sales area of Sandy Springs Gun Club and Range, in Sandy Springs, Ga
FILE- Handguns are displayed in the sales area of Sandy Springs Gun Club and Range, in Sandy Springs, Ga (AP Photo/Robert Ray)
Two weeks ago, the PEW Research Center released a survey showing that
whether they own a gun. Yet, not a single mainstream American media headline has announced the increase.
In fact, the media goes out of its way to find polls claiming that Americans are turning away from guns. In their War on Guns they want to give the impression that gun owners are a small, fringe group. Maybe they are hoping that this will have an impact on policy. As General Social Survey director Tom Smith told me, a large drop in gun
In June, the Washington Post and Time magazine trumpeted a CBS News
Bizarrely, if the Washington Post and CNN had relied on their own polls, their headlines would claim that gun ownership has remained constant over the years. But neither organization has run such headlines.
Only two surveys actually show a drop in gun ownership. They are by CBS News and the General Social Survey (GSS). According to the GSS, the percentage of homes with a gun has fallen from approximately 50% in the late 1970s to 32% in 2014. The CBS poll claimed that ownership had fallen from 51% in 1978 to 36% this year.
But many other surveys have obtained very different results.
According to Gallup, household gun ownership has ranged from 51 percent in 1994 to just 34 percent in 1999. In 2014, household gun
during the 1970s.
There was absolutely no news coverage of a 2011 Gallup poll headlined,
The ABC News/Washington Post poll shows an even more stable pattern, with household gun ownership rates of 44-46 percent in 1999. In 2013, the ownership rate was 43 percent.
A CNN poll from January showed 40% of Americans living in a household that owns a gun. Nine percent of respondents were unwilling to state an opinion, implying that the true ownership rate is greater than 40%.
Furthermore, polling is not the only indicator of gun ownership. The number of concealed handgun permits has soared from about 2.7 million in 1999 to over 14.5 million in 2016. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that the number of gun purchases has exploded, almost doubling from 2008 to 2015.
In Illinois, a Firearm Owner Identification (FOID) card is required. The number of people with those cards dramatically increased from slightly over 1 million in 2010 to 1.8 million in 2015.
There are some other strong reasons for believing that polls underestimate the number of gun owners. A recent Zogby Analytics survey posed the question, "If a national pollster asked you if you owned a firearm, would you determine to tell him or her the truth or
This answer is especially common among those who claim not to be gun owners.
acknowledge gun ownership. After mass shootings, a sudden drop can be seen in the polling numbers. But there is no evidence of people getting rid of their guns. Indeed, gun sales actually soar.
fact that, compared to married women, married men are much more likely to admit to having a gun in the home. Either the men are hiding guns from their wives or women are more reluctant to tell pollsters that they own a gun. If the latter, the GSS survey results should be about
4 percentage points higher.The media's selective use of polls may provide gun control advocates with talking points and let them try isolating gun owners. But hard numbers clearly show a huge increase in gun sales and in the percentage of Americans who carry guns.
Down.
"james g. keegan jr." wrote in news:uTXcB.83723$ snipped-for-privacy@fx20.iad:
Ownership is up, the percentage is down. Learn the difference.
"Ownership" *IS* the percentage. You're talking number of people. That's not what's being reported.
The percentage of people in the population who own guns is down - way down. For some reason, that distresses you and the other gun-nutz. That's bizarre.
Rudy Canoza wrote in news:VNmdB.288358$AG1.88064 @fx42.iad:
Depends on what is being surveyed and by whom.
Population
1960 - 180,670,000 2013 - 316,860,000Delta - + 136,190,000 75.4% Increase of over 75%
Households
Year # of households
1960 - 52,799,000 2013 - 122,459,000Delta - + 69,660,000 75.8% Damn, again, an increase of over 75%.
Gallup Poll households with guns
Year Pct With guns
1960 - 49% - 25,871,000 2013 - 42% - 51,432,000Delta - + - 25,561,000 More households with guns. Shit, look at this. An increase of households of over 25,000,000.
Year Pct Households With Guns
1973 - 47.0% 69,859,000 32,833,730 2013 - 33.1% 122,459,000 40,533,929Delta - 52,600,000 7,700,209 More households with guns Even here....
Or 8 million more homes with guns under the NORC survey and approximately
25 million more households with guns per Gallup. In either case, the number of households with guns has risen not dropped. The percentage is less but the actual number is greater.Or do you only like them when and if they agree with you?
Yes, but not way down. However, the number of people who have guns has gone up. You simply don't understand how that works.
Wow so has the number of people in the US, % of household with guns is decreasing so the gun ownership is being diluted
You simply don't understand how that works.
de chucka wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@westnet.com.au:
That's true.
Yes, I do. I can understand how the numbers of guns or gunowners in the US can go up while the percentage of households goes down. It is folks like you or Rudy that don't seem to.
How can it be diluted when so many new guns are being manufactured and sold to the public? At a rate far greater than the death rate.
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