The Acid Test - or What Happens If Guns Become Scarce

True the latest data I've seen is 2016nwhich showed the continuing downward trend of household gun ownership rates in the USA. Suck it up sunshine the owneship rate is going down If I'm wrong post your figures

de chucka wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@westnet.com.au:

You are mixing things here. Yes, the surveys have shown a percentage decrease in the number of households containing guns. That, however, does not show or mean that the total number of households containing guns has dropped. In fact, using data from those surveys, I have shown that the number of guns have increased, the number of gunowners has increased and the number of households containing guns has increased. The only factor that seems to have decreased is the percentage relating to an increasing number.

Suck it up

Already have. You are shifting from household percentages to gunownership percentages and that is NOT what was surveyed.

Nobody cares about the total number. The only thing that counts is the percentage. As the percentage drops, the strength of the opposition to sensible gun control also drops.

Rudy Canoza wrote in news:7TIfB.76887$ snipped-for-privacy@fx29.iad:

We, pretty much, already have sensible gn control. What more do you want? UBC? Registration? Banning?

We do not. That's why people like the San Bernardino terrorists and the Orlando nightclub murderer and countless other killers can get guns they shouldn't have so easily.

Rudy Canoza wrote in news:XzJfB.48453$ZI6.23633 @fx01.iad:

stipulation.

Here is what you snipped:

"What more do you want? UBC? Registration? Banning?"

Notice I asked you how do you intended to do that. I am waiting for your answer.

You poisoned the well.

You said we already have sensible gun control, but clearly we do not, given the amount of gun crime we experience.

Rudy Canoza wrote in news:Ss1gB.106737$114.83332 @fx15.iad:

continuing

I think we do. The problem is that all guns do not exchange hands in legal ways. I am asking how you would intend stopping that illegal trafficking in firearms.

but clearly we do not,

Guns don't commit any of that....people do. Now take that thought, apply to what I asked you above and what post answer you present.

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:06:09 -0500, LO AND BEHOLD; "RD Sandman " determined that the following was of great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in :

death penalty for anybody caught with an illegal gun should solve that problem.

isn't that the sort of logic that leads you to think that you need a personal gun arsenal: so you can deter someone trying to steal your lawn ornaments late at night with a potential death sentence?

seems legit.

we should start executing gun owners who can't be bothered to follow the law.

it's quite simple, really...

Wonderful, but I sort of though the problem was violent crime....not the means used.

Further, I believe that is effectively the punishment for members of the Mexican cartels and doesn't seem to keep them from having guns....and using them to kill lots of people.

No, that would be YOUR sort of thinking.

Easy access to guns - the means - enables people more easily to commit violent crime. We've been through this before. If I want to paint my house and I have a box of Q-tips, I'm not going to try to paint my house. If I have access to a paint sprayer, I'm more likely to do it. Some punk who wants to rob a liquor store and has only his fists probably won't try it. If he can easily get a gun, he's more likely to do it.

It has, you liar.

Rudy Canoza wrote in news:im6iB.145323$on3.32940 @fx26.iad:

Probably some....due more to opportunity versus the guns being the cause.

Lots. Our rates of violent crime are higher across the board than any other OECD country, *because* so many of them are committed using guns.

People do more of something when it's easier to do, and guns make violent crime easier and less risky for the perpetrator.

Rudy Canoza wrote in news:dEpiB.297421$ snipped-for-privacy@fx40.iad:

Judy, Judy, Judy. I see little hope for you in understanding the problem. You still haven't stated what gun control laws you think would fix things.

I understand the problem perfectly well. It's too easy to get guns, and as a result our violent crime rate is higher than it would be if guns were harder to get. Guns don't cause people to want to commit violent crimes, but once people formulate such thoughts, easy access to guns means they are more likely to commit the crimes.

No, I don't. I perceive - 'ei', idiot, not 'ie' - the problem with perfect clarity.