Look closely at the a hubbell receptacle. The name appears rightside up when the ground pin is on the top. That's what hubbell thinks on the subject, anyway.
I understand the reason for the ground pin being on top has to do with the idea that any foreign object which falls down on the plug will encounter the ground pin rather than a hot lead - if the plug were partly loose.
Jim
I'd be just as weary of the $100 as the $1000 guy.
Are you adding a new panel or just a plug? $100 might just about cover the materials cost for wire, breakers and a small box.
If you are planning on running more equipment you mind as well go 100A or better. Mind as well go 200A now that the wife has seen the $1000 quote.
Just think - you are running a welder or a plasma cutter, the air compressor kicks in and your 60A breaker trips...doh!
I agree.
It does not matter how far it goes, as far as need to get it inspected is concerned.
i
Thank you for both your compliment and the nit pick. I might turn the receptacles the other way, but code wise, both directions are acceptable. Ground up is said to be better if something metallic falls on a not fully inserted plug, that's a fair thought, but how likely is that to happen?
iIn article , Pete C."
The ones that were in my garage are from the "downright scary" variety. They wobble and feel like they are going to fall apart at any minute. I will get some UPSes soon (nothing like the last batch) and perhaps can get more high quality outlets from them. The ones I am installing are always higher priced premium outlets, salvaged or new.
i
A subpanel costs $19.99 at home despot. Breakers are about $8 each. wire is 39 cents per foot. A outlet box costs $1. Can't see it getting to $100 without a long cable run, which the OP indicated is not in his plans.
200A may require extensive modification of the service entrance.That's why compressors have disconnects on them . :)
i
Hubbell receptacles are also good enough so that a plug that is inserted, stays inserted. :)
i
I've seen it happen.
Jim
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Thank you. I don't mind people replying off-line -- as long as they don't do both off-line and on-line without telling me so.
Thanks again, DoN.
O.K. I've seen some which had the label rightside up when the ground pin was down.
That makes a certain amount of sense.
However, with the ground pin down, the typical moulded connector is a more natural fit into the hand, thus discouraging attempting to remove it by yanking on the cord.
Anybody have an orientation for the twist-loc connectors? :-)
Enjoy, DoN.
When I was about 12 I was reaching down behind the sofa to plug in a vacuum cleaner and my finger slipped across the contacts. Got an interesting lesson in electricity.
Steve.
You must have done everything wrong to get a quote that high -
(And in that case, I'd say rather than fight with an antique or undersized service, swap the whole main service out. Kick it up from
70A/100A/125A to 200A, or from 200A to 400A. That'll be expensive to do, but you pay once and you're done with it for another 30+ years.)If the panel is in good shape and has a space available, and you are going right below the panel (or right behind it for panels mounted on the outside of the garage wall) with your welder receptacle, my guesstimate would be $250 to $300. And if the planets are all aligned (and it's drop dead easy) $175-ish.
No permit for small stuff like that unless the locality is ultra-picky (which all of ours aren't) - it's either done right or it isn't done, you don't need the city to tell you...
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:49:59 -0800, the inscrutable "Greg Deputy" spake:
When I moved here 3 years ago, it took me about 4 hours to remove the wallboard behind the service panel, go up in the attic, run 3 new 240v lines, mount them to boxes and outlets, and put covers on them. (I should remove that wallboard and staple those wires, then run emt conduit to the 2 exposed outlets to make it code-legal.)
Parts:
250' of 12/2 grounded Romex - $17.95 on sale (I used about half) 3 ea. L6-20R twist-lock outlets @ 6.95 each - $20.85 3 ea. L6-20P twist-lock plugs @ 8.95 each - $26.85 3 ea. metal outlet boxes @ $0.28 each - $0.84 1 ea. 4x8x7/16" chipboard @ 6.95 - $6.95Labor: 4 hours @ $65/hr $260
SubTotals: $73.44 in parts and $260 labor
Grand total if I paid myself: $333.44
I would feel that an electrician was ripping me off if he charged over $500 for the job. (Double the parts prices and higher labor.)
Get some more quotes or find someone to do the final hookup for cheaper and do the main work yourself. Except for crawling around the rafters, the work is not hard.
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Sometimes, .no matter how hard you pull. Gunner
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a 4' steel ruler in my shop comes to mind. Scared the hell out me.
Gunner
Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious. michael
The blade of tape measure while taking a measurement behind the refrigerator. It shorted across the hot pin of the plug and the refrigerator's condenser resulting in an expensive hiss.
Ned Simmons
How many times have you gone into a buddies house and they start bitching that they ran out of panel space for their new saw...? Or that they are tripping over extension cords...
What does $20 get you? Space for 4 breakers? $20 box $32 breakers $39 for 100' cable
------------------------ $91 + taxes
Pretty close to $100. Oh yah, how are you going to strap the cable to the walls? Maybe run BX instead?
Or do you go to the Borg 6 times because you keep forgetting things and short ordering cable?
Go big or go home....
It sucks when you are half way through a cut on the plasma when it kicks out for low air. Oh well, fire up the a/c for 5 minutes then get back to her later...
;-)
it still sparks from hot to ground too
Well, the OP said that the run was very short. Figure one 10 foot conduit and a few feet of cable.
That, unfortunately, happens a lot. I was lucky with the cable length for my subpanel project, I ordered 80 feet on nothing more than a hunch, and ended up using about 75 feet out that 80. As far as forgetting stuff, Imust confess, it happens too much.
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