Two pack foam to do this job can be got from Strand or Allscot or your friendly neighbourhood fibreglass supplier(see yellow pages) for about £50, so there's no reason not to mould your own foam blank. Make a appropriately sized open top cardboard or hardboard box with a scaffold bar or a broomhandle mounted centrally on the long axis, mix up your foam goop, pour it in and stand clear; very amusing to watch but very sticky, ask me how I know. I did this several times at Uni to make odd shaped foam blanks for model making, albeit on a smaller scale. Carving foam is a LOT easier than even soft wood, so your makeshift lathe has less stress on it and is cheaper and easier to construct.
Hope you're going to keep us informed of progress whatever method you choose; it sounds interesting.
cheers, David
Well I thought: Make the hull in sections, from about 600mm cubes of softwood (pine), turn on a rotary table type thing, and use a router to carve into it. I'll use a template from ply to make sure I get the right shape.
Michael
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Peter Fairbrother
Sounds too cheap - you'd need 1620 l of foam, or about 65 kg of liquid at an expansion ratio of 25:1 - would probably cost at least £150 - £250.
You can't mould a blank that size in one go.
First, really thick sections tend to overheat and scorch in the middle - don't build up more than about 4" at a time, and preferably less.
Second, if you make large blocks this way the bubbles tend to be rather large, up to perhaps 1/2 inch across or more for a block that size - depends a bit on the foam, of course.
A better idea might be to stick layers of cheap lightweight expanded polystyrene insulation foam together to make the blank's center, perhaps around a scaffold pole, and turn o a rough shape. This inner core would cost about £100 (6 sheets 100 mm x 1200 mm x 2400 mm @ £16 each).
Then either spray with a thinnish layer of polyurethane foam, or glue sheets of "blue" foam to the outside if you need that accuracy. Polyurethane 2-part foam or foam-in-a-can makes a good glue for this if used _very_ sparingly.
You could also/ instead wrap the inner part of the blank with 2mm flexible polystyrene foam, as used for lining walls and ceilings (£2 a roll in a diy store). Gives a nice finish.
Heck, even a thin layer of papier-mache would do for the outside, and can be sanded to a very smooth finish. 2 coats PVA varnish before glassing. Remove traces with enzyme wallpaper remover.
Sounds overly expensive. What kind of foam is that?
The best foam for your purpose would probably be a medium weight expanded polystyrene packing foam (you don't really need blue foam) - try Eccleston & Hart 0121 683 0300 for a quote of MD15. Won't be cheap, but it shouldn't be that much.
If it's stll too expensive give ma an email I may be able to suggest someone else (I know some other suppliers, but they usually have a minimum order size).
4.5 m x 0.6 m dia of softwood is going to cost a whole lot!
You'll have them no matter whether the blank is made of foam or wood - but a lathe for foam will cost a whole lot less than a wood lathe, it doesn't need the rigidity a wood lathe needs.
Are you going to do this indoors? Have you got a 5 m high ceiling???
Apart from being far easier to shape and work with, foam has another advantage - you can apply the fibreglass directly to it, cure, and then dissolve the foam (petrol, or a mixture of cellulose thinners and acetone work well) leaving a hollow shell.
No release coat needed. And you can do undercut shapes, which are impossible to mould with a wood mould.
You can't reuse the mould - but afaics you are only trying to build one?
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Michael
Thanks Peter,
The foam I quoted, was closed cell polystyrene foam.
And I will be building just the one.
So many options to choose from......
I'll get back to this group before I commit...
Thanks again,
Michael
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