Pop up in a file?

I asked this one about a year and a half ago, but maybe someone knows something new?

In the old days of 2D we would have a standard disclaimer on our drawing sheet saying words to the effect of "may not be reproduced without permission..." etc. You know the kind of thing I'm talking about. In these days of electronic files tranferred via FTP, how can we connect that kind of verbal information with a ProE part or assembly file? We don't often issue 2D drawings with our files. So far we have tried a cosmetic feature that is included in the start part which we use to create all our part files. That gets a bit cumbersome when you have an assembly up of 20 or so parts and they all have the same disclaimer cosmetic in pointing in different directions. They're all on layers of the same name so it's not too hard to blank them, but we want them to be visible to the client when they first open the file.

This is what I would like. When you open some programs (esp when installing something) you get a little window that pops up which says something you have to agree to terms and conditions and then you click "yes" or "I agree" then move on to run the program or installation or whatever. I would to be able to do that with a ProE file. You open it and you have to read the disclaimer and tick it off before you can open the file.

Has anything like this been suggested to PTC before? Could it be done with Pro Toolkit or could something like a batch file be written into the file? It seems like an idea whose time has come. I would have thought it would be useful to a lot of companies.

Anyone got any suggestions? Somebody replied to my original post saying that PTC's website has downloadable files that behave this way, in order to enforce who owns the files. Maybe I should go to them? They've always been so helpful.

In the "old days", despite warnings and disclaimers and patent declarations and copyright notices, everything published was subject to theft. If you are trying to avoid making a bunch of lawyers rich, here's some advice:

a.. dont' ever patent or copyright anything; you just gave the store away, cuz now everyone knows what secrets you think are valuable; b.. publish mounds of worthless documents, failed patent applications, junk junior brainstorms and nest the good stuff in the dross; c.. critique your own good ideas as flaky pseudo science and junk engineering; d.. let the public decide in some 'open source' project which reviews the results for 90 days e.. then patent/copyright the shit out of the thing and gird your loins for battle (legal, that is) f.. anyone else think of some I missed? If you and yours do NOT have pots of money available for fighting Intellectual Property challenges, forget the disclaimers. Without lawyer, such disclaimers are worthless window treatments: deceptively cozy and reassuring, seemingly secure, but fluff and stuff in a fray. The bullets you're talking about are NOT stopped by window treatments... or disclaimers or proprietary statements. They're stopped by proactive measures (get yourself an IP condum)and reactive measures (get yourself a gang of head bashers) which can talk sense to the violators. Other than that, everyone knows a Pro/e model belongs to whoever made it!!!!!!!

David Janes

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and copyright notices, everything published was subject to theft. If you are trying to avoid making a bunch of lawyers rich, here's some advice:

cuz now everyone knows what secrets you think are valuable;

junior brainstorms and nest the good stuff in the dross;

results for 90 days

battle (legal, that is)

Property challenges, forget the disclaimers. Without lawyer, such disclaimers are worthless window treatments: deceptively cozy and reassuring, seemingly secure, but fluff and stuff in a fray. The bullets you're talking about are NOT stopped by window treatments... or disclaimers or proprietary statements. They're stopped by proactive measures (get yourself an IP condum)and reactive measures (get yourself a gang of head bashers) which can talk sense to the violators. Other than that, everyone knows a Pro/e model belongs to whoever made it!!!!!!!

This doesn't help me much, Dave. My clients DO have pots of money for fighting Intellectual Property challenges. We patent a lot of the stuff we do, usually design patents, but sometimes mechanical. It's a very competetive business we're in. That's the way it is, and we're thinking about how we can achieve this in our 3D files.

This doesn't help me much, Dave. My clients DO have pots of money for fighting Intellectual Property challenges. We patent a lot of the stuff we do, usually design patents, but sometimes mechanical. It's a very competetive business we're in. That's the way it is, and we're thinking about how we can achieve this in our 3D files.

In Western civilization, if you published it, including to the Internet, it's copyrighted. Period. Again, everyone knows this, then the lawyers get involved because some vigilant people have notified them that there are violators. And the lawyers slap them.

On the other hand, declarations of proprietary bolts, proprietary machined mounting brackets, proprietary stamped slides, proprietary anything-on-a-print does nothing to enforce the case. About the only thing proprietary statements do is say 'You may not copy this print and use it, in tact because we have our name on it.' It's a warning to the totally stupid and illiterate. Most such statements do their job because of the implied threat of legal action and the implied might of the legator. What the "Proprietary" statement has behind it is not much, since most are infinitly trivialized by the attempt to declare as proprietary, the most mundane, commonplace, unpatentable stuff that no one on earth would want to imitate.

All I can suggest, for judicious use, is an annotation feature, like the flying 3D note, that, through a locked parameter in the model, states the obvious~that this is your part. The only thing that comes close to your popups is a requirement when a drawing is created, that certain parameters be filled in, but even this is easily outflanked. On the other hand, let's take your popup seriously; someone clicks through it and agrees to it. How do you even know? how does this help you? wouldn't it be better, from a legal and contractual standpoint, to have signed NDAs on file before you deal with these people and send them anything? Signed non-disclosure agreements are actually legally binding. I doubt if your pop up boxes are because they leave no record. I'd ask some lawyers before bothering with this further.

David Janes

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declarations and copyright notices, everything published was subject to theft. If you are trying to avoid making a bunch of lawyers rich, here's some advice:

away, cuz now everyone knows what secrets you think are valuable;

junk junior brainstorms and nest the good stuff in the dross;

the results for 90 days

for battle (legal, that is)

Intellectual Property challenges, forget the disclaimers. Without lawyer, such disclaimers are worthless window treatments: deceptively cozy and reassuring, seemingly secure, but fluff and stuff in a fray. The bullets you're talking about are NOT stopped by window treatments... or disclaimers or proprietary statements. They're stopped by proactive measures (get yourself an IP condum)and reactive measures (get yourself a gang of head bashers) which can talk sense to the violators. Other than that, everyone knows a Pro/e model belongs to whoever made it!!!!!!!

copyrighted. Period. Again, everyone knows this, then the lawyers get involved because some vigilant people have notified them that there are violators. And the lawyers slap them.

mounting brackets, proprietary stamped slides, proprietary anything-on-a-print does nothing to enforce the case. About the only thing proprietary statements do is say 'You may not copy this print and use it, in tact because we have our name on it.' It's a warning to the totally stupid and illiterate. Most such statements do their job because of the implied threat of legal action and the implied might of the legator. What the "Proprietary" statement has behind it is not much, since most are infinitly trivialized by the attempt to declare as proprietary, the most mundane, commonplace, unpatentable stuff that no one on earth would want to imitate.

flying 3D note, that, through a locked parameter in the model, states the obvious~that this is your part. The only thing that comes close to your popups is a requirement when a drawing is created, that certain parameters be filled in, but even this is easily outflanked. On the other hand, let's take your popup seriously; someone clicks through it and agrees to it. How do you even know? how does this help you? wouldn't it be better, from a legal and contractual standpoint, to have signed NDAs on file before you deal with these people and send them anything? Signed non-disclosure agreements are actually legally binding. I doubt if your pop up boxes are because they leave no record. I'd ask some lawyers before bothering with this further.

AFAIK we have NDAs with our vendors. But it's not really my problem. This is what my company wants, and I was asking how we could achieve it.

Bump.

I asked this one about a year and a half ago, but maybe someone knows something new?

In the old days of 2D we would have a standard disclaimer on our drawing sheet saying words to the effect of "may not be reproduced without permission..." etc. You know the kind of thing I'm talking about. In these days of electronic files tranferred via FTP, how can we connect that kind of verbal information with a ProE part or assembly file? We don't often issue 2D drawings with our files. So far we have tried a cosmetic feature that is included in the start part which we use to create all our part files. That gets a bit cumbersome when you have an assembly up of 20 or so parts and they all have the same disclaimer cosmetic in pointing in different directions. They're all on layers of the same name so it's not too hard to blank them, but we want them to be visible to the client when they first open the file.

This is what I would like. When you open some programs (esp when installing something) you get a little window that pops up which says something you have to agree to terms and conditions and then you click "yes" or "I agree" then move on to run the program or installation or whatever. I would to be able to do that with a ProE file. You open it and you have to read the disclaimer and tick it off before you can open the file.

Has anything like this been suggested to PTC before? Could it be done with Pro Toolkit or could something like a batch file be written into the file? It seems like an idea whose time has come. I would have thought it would be useful to a lot of companies.

Anyone got any suggestions? Somebody replied to my original post saying that PTC's website has downloadable files that behave this way, in order to enforce who owns the files. Maybe I should go to them? They've always been so helpful.

AFAIK we have NDAs with our vendors. But it's not really my problem. This is what my company wants, and I was asking how we could achieve it.

Pro/TOOLKIT maybe? or J-link? something that stands between the file and the user and requires an acceptance. But, again, it's about as useful as any of the software proprietary confidentiality agreements. They mostly depend on the users to abide by them, not because of YOUR threat, but because they are basically ethical. Other than that, you have a police state with the Three Stooges [Larry, Curly and George] in charge.

David Janes

AFAIK we have NDAs with our vendors. But it's not really my problem. This is what my company wants, and I was asking how we could achieve it.