I often wondered about that myself. Although our definition of
"intelligence" hasnt bin fully explained, i believe robots have a
primitive form of intelligence. But then is our intelligence primitive
That it is, although it's not a very good indication. There were some
programs developed that could do a fairly convincing imitation of a human
conversation that were clearly nonintelligent. Besides, in my opinion, the
ability to speak does not constitute intelligence. Primates cannot speak but
many are accorded some level of intelligence.
In any case, I believe that any attempt to construct a definite set of
requirements that constitute intelligence is worthless. Any such construct
would in essence simply be formulated to include anything that we believe
intelligent and exclude anything else. It has a similar validity of many
common definitions of life (uses water, grows, etc.). Could we not think of
something that we would consider alive that does not follow those rules?
Either way, the only way I can think of to discern if something is
intelligent (or alive, for that matter), is, "You'll know it when you see
it." And even that may not be true.
The SNAVE definition of intelligence.
Intelligence is the ability to recognise comparable
It is not memory, although memory of the newly-discovered
comparisons will assist in future intelligent excursions.
It is not thought; that is the disturbance-stimulated
motivation that drives intelligence in the first place..
It is not self-awareness, although self-awareness arises
It is not speech.
The SNAVE test replaces the Turing Test.
Once you specify what it is that represents knowledge in your
computer program, and can identify (Correctly!) how that
representation has derived directly from what is being taught,
then and only then are you able to demonstrate machine intelligence
for you will be able to demonstrate how new representations have
arrived that can only have come from intelligence excursions
of your machine.
Beware! If you show your machine 3 apples and then show it
3 Russians, the new representations that appear will not
necessarily be cognisance of "3"; they might well be
cognisance of, "Red"!
So a robot that can say this area is dark and this area is light is
intelligent then....much like many insects and "lower" animals....
And thinking that intellience is the same as sentience is flawed then?
So we more or less let the machine place it's own meaning on words then? In
orderwords make it's own language
That sounds like nonsense. Intelligence is awareness, the ability
to self-model one's own life in the mind in memory and to analyze
what-if's for the future.
To pretend that something can be intelligent as a human is without
being conscious by means of memory of past events is moronic. To
think you exist you have to think that you are "this and that",
facts about you, namely, remembered information.
Anything less than awareness and you can call intelligence ANY
reaction to a stimulous, as that complexity is a smooth continiuum.
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Discoveries in the field of artificial intelligence, of very
relevance to this NG, will not come about through
displays of infantility that are best left behind in the
school playground. Are you still there; if so, I can
understand your outbursts? YOU don't have the
answers and therefore you make a fool of yourself if you
respond to other's theories in the way that you did.
Grow up, OM.
Mr. Murray is one of the Net's better known victims of an
obsession that some hobbyhorse of his constitutes wonderful
scientific breakthroughs; compare James Harris who has
plagued sci.math for even longer. Of the two, Murray seems
the saner. Sadly, though, Murray managed to gull some
publisher with a weak-minded editorial staff into
publishing his mindrot as a non-fiction book recently, but
it doesn't make any more sense for being professionally
Murray wanders by flogging his stuff at every opportunity;
I'm sure he inhabits many killfiles, as he has no other
subject of conversation.
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