I'm a Born again looking for suggestions for large model rockets which
would fall in the gap between model rocketry and HP model rocketry.
I like the launchpad kits, but I'm looking for something a little more
solid, maybe TTW fins. The Hi-Tech H45 looks like a good candidate,
except for it's weight (1.5lbs without motor). This would require FAA
notification before launch. I've never done this, maybe it's not as bad
as it sounds? I like the idea of being able to throw a high power motor
in it when I get the opportunity.
Maybe the Graduator?
I am planning to get my level one eventually, but I'm not in any hurry.
Is economical to use reloads for rockets of this size?
Thanks
Tom
Notifications are fairly straight-forward, once you know who it is you
need to call. It's easiest to get GPS coordinates for the launch site
-- the FAA will accept them, and unless you already have FAA maps, it's
easier than determining and providing locations in radials and distances.
Yes. Although the bigger the motor, the faster you save money with
reloads versus single use.
-Kevin
tom:
Per NFPA and FAR regulations, large model rockets weigh 1 to 3.3 pounds (454
to 1500 grams) at launch
and contain less than 125 grams of total fuel.
and by defintion requires FAA notification for issuance of a NOTAM...and no
its not that bad..
When launching rockets which fall within this definition, FAA regulations
require that the nearest Air Traffic
Control center (ATC) and any airports within five nautical miles be notified
of the launch between 24 and
48 hours prior to the launch. This is notification and not permission. Phone
numbers for FAA ATC's may
be found in the Transportation/FAA section of the white pages under the
Federal Government listings.
When notifying the FAA, provide the following information.
Notice of Large Model Rocket Launch - FAR 101.22
Pursuant to the requirements set down in Federal Aviation Regulation 101.22,
this is a notice of a launch
event for Large Model Rockets. For your information, a Large Model Rocket is
defined as a model that
uses not more than 125 grams of propellant, made of paper, wood, or
breakable plastic, containing no
substantial metal parts, and weighing not more than 1,500 grams including
propellant. A model rocket,
exempt from regulation as per FAR 101, Subpart C, is identical in definition
except that its maximum
weight is 453 grams and its maximum propellant weight is 113 grams. The
following information is
specifically required by this regulation:
Name, address, and telephone number of Launch Coordinator:
Location of Launch Site:
Date and Time of Launch Operation:
Estimated Number of Rockets to be Operated:
Estimated Size and Weight:
Estimated Maximum Altitude:
As per the requirements of FAR 101.23, this launch event will be cancelled
if the horizontal visibility is less
than five miles or if the sky is more than five-tenths obscured at the
maximum estimated altitude. In
addition, if surface winds exceed a steady 20 miles per hour, this launch
event will also be cancelled for
safety reasons.
This notice, or equivalent information via telephone, is being provided to
the FAA and to all known airports
within a 5 nautical mile radius of the above-named launch location.
If You have a L1 there are a number of H size rocket motors, that you can
use in Model Rockets that weigh < 453 grams (1 lb) that doesn't require this
FAA NOTAM:
Motor Dia Type PropW LEUP L1
H55W -29mm SU 99.7g Y Y
H128W -29mm R 94.2g N Y
H148R -38mm R 122.0g N Y
H165R -29mm R 90.0g N Y
H180R -29mm R 123.9g N Y
H210R -29mm R 110.8g N Y
H220T -29mm R 106.4g N Y
H238T -29mm R 83.4g N Y
H242T -38mm R 114.7g N Y
Those engines above, < 113g (H55W/H128W/H165R/H210R/H220T/H238T) when used
in a model rocket that weighs 113g but < 125g (H148R,H180R,H242T)when used in a model
rocket that weighs I'm a Born again looking for suggestions for large model rockets which
Wow, excellent info. I had never considered that I could go into the H
motor size without a waiver if I stay within weight. I had been putting
off Level 1 because I didnt think I'd get many opportunities to fly
anything higher than a G without driving 4 hours to do it.
Thanks!
Tom
Both good choices. There really isn't much that can support HPR motors yet
stay light enough to fly without at least notification. But notification
isn't that hard to get. Of course if you fly with a club, that makes it even
easier.
If you drop the ability to fly with an H motor, then lots of possibilities
open up. You mentioned The Launch Pad. The Executioner is another
possibility. In fact, just about any 2.6" diameter rocket with a 24mm MMT
falls in the LMR category.
I recommend a larger rocket for your L1 flight. Something 4" around and
perhaps in the 1-2# weight range. The LOC-IV is still my first choice.
Yes, as long as you don't lose them. If you've got rockets with 24mm MMT,
then the 24/40 is a great choice. Likewise, the 29/40-120 is good for
rockets with 29mm MMTs.
My one warning for first time users. Beware of the low thrust BlackJack
motors. People pay too much attention to the letter than to the number that
follows. An E11 will NOT lift a heavy rocket that flies great on E15 or
E30s. It's the same gotcha that's bitten folks with the D12 vs E9.
And don't forget that the G33 is a high power motor that requires that the
user have L1 certification and fly under the HPR safety code, not the model
rocket safety code. [and if the JBGTs get their way, an LEUP and storage]
Why? 72g propellant.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
I've taken coordinates
from them, put them into my GPS, and been within a hundred feet or so of my
target destination. It pointed me to the FRONT DESK instead of the front door of
the NARAM-45 hotel this summer!
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
FAA doesn't recognize motor classes. Just model and propellant weights.
But remember that even though you can fly an HPR rocket without a waiver
(and in some cases without even notification!), you still have to follow the
more restrictive HPR safety code for these rockets, and have the appropriate
certification.
At NARAM-42, when they denied our waiver at the last minute, we still flew
limited HPR and some folks did their L1 certifications anyway.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
I haven't flown it yet, but I'll let you know.
This is the same method Mike Fisher at Binder Designs uses to attach shock
cords and when I asked him that question he said he has rockets that have
over thirty flights with no problems.
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