Max weight on a Pro38 G69...?

Eh, are you admitting that you violate NFPA 1127, 2002 Ed.?

Alan

Impossible for him to comply or violate (at least in California) - I forget whether the "Experimental High Power Rockets" section (that's it's actual name) of the state Pyrotechnics Code has anything to say on the subject of thrust vs. weight.

-dave w

you realize of course, that the PRK is planning on adopting NFPA 1 in

2006/8? and NFPA 1 incoporates nfpa 11xx via chapter 65 ? shockie B)

What I've heard about that is that it plans to keep its own rocketry codes (although adopting the national building/fire code with regard to buildings in general).

-dave w

ray said: "Too bad. If the PRK adopted the NFPA rocketry codes, it would greatly increase the number of motors available in this state. Currently only AT and CTI have motors that are CSFM approved for sale in California. It would also eliminate the need for a costly CA rocketry license"

wrong....

the NFPA codes allow for other AHJ.....PRK could still retain its "own" rocketry laws as they currently are.... PRK has their own state MR laws which reference only a small portion of NFPA 1122.... except PRK law allows for 500g MR while 1122 allows

454g........ you need to check out what chapter 65 says and also NFPA 1 chapter 1... Chapter 65 allows states to have their own "licensing and permit" laws for both Rocketry Manufacturing and High Power Rocketry... although the states licensing and permits must adhere to NFPA 1 Chapter 1-12.16....This is the NFPA loophole which allows a state to issue their own permits and licenses for both rocket motor manufacturing and high power rocketry use. PRK will probably use this loophole.......so it can continue to use its own permiting and licensing scheme under the CSFM... rocket motors to be sold (imported into) PRK still would have to apply to the restrictive CSFM regulations.....

Notice that 65-6 Rocketry Manufacturing applies only to model rockets...

65-5 Model Rocketry. The design, construction, limitations of propellant mass and power, and reliability of model rocket motors and model rocket motor reloading kits and their components produced commercially for sale to or use by the public for purposes of education, recreation, and sporting competition shall comply with NFPA 1122, Code for Model Rocketry. 65-6 Rocketry Manufacturing. 65-6.1 The manufacture of model rocket motors designed, sold, and used for the purpose of propelling recoverable aero models shall comply with NFPA 1125, Code for the Manufacture of Model Rocket and High Power Rocket Motors. 65-6.2 Permits, where required, shall comply with 1-12.16. 65-7 High Power Rocketry. 65-7.1 The design, construction, limitations of propellant mass and power, and reliability of all high-power rocket motors and motor components produced commercially for sale to or use by the certified user for education, recreation, and sporting competition shall comply with NFPA 1127, Code for High Power Rocketry. 65-7.2 Permits, where required, shall comply with 1-12.16.

Chapter 1 -12.16:

1-12.16 Permits shall be required in accordance with Table 1.12.16.

1. High-Powered Rocketry

The manufacturing, sale and use of high powered rocketry.

1. Rocketry Manufacturing

The manufacturing of model rocket motors.

Heres what NFPA 1 says about permits:

1-12 Permits and Approvals.

1-12.1 The authority having jurisdiction shall be authorized to establish and issue permits, certificates, notices, approvals, or orders pertaining to fire control and fire hazards pursuant to Section 1.12.

1-12.2 The authority having jurisdiction shall be permitted to revoke or suspend a permit or approval issued if any violation of this Code is found upon inspection or in case any false statements or misrepresentations have been submitted in the application or plans on which the permit or approval was based.

1-12.3 Any attempt to defraud or otherwise deliberately or knowingly design; install; service; maintain; operate; sell; represent for sale; falsify records, reports, or applications; or other related activity in violation of the requirements prescribed by this Code shall be a violation of this Code.

Such violations shall be cause for immediate suspension or revocation of any related licenses, certificates, or permits issued by this jurisdiction. In addition, any such violation shall be subject to any other criminal or civil penalties as available by the laws of this jurisdiction.

1-12.4 Revocation or suspension shall be constituted when the permittee is duly notified by the authority having jurisdiction.

1-12.5 Any person who engages in any business, operation, or occupation, or uses any premises, after the permit issued therefore has been suspended or revoked pursuant to the provisions of this Code, and before such suspended permit has been reinstated or a new permit issued, shall be in violation of this Code.

1-12.6 A permit shall be predicated upon compliance with the requirements of this Code and shall constitute written authority issued by the authority having jurisdiction to maintain, store, use, or handle materials, or to conduct processes that could produce conditions hazardous to life or property, or to install equipment used in connection with such activities. Any permit issued under this Code shall not take the place of any other license or permit required by other regulations or laws of this jurisdiction. Where additional permits are required by other agencies, approval shall be obtained from those other agencies.

1-12.7 The authority having jurisdiction shall have the authority to require an inspection prior to the issuance of a permit.

1-12.8 A permit issued under this Code shall continue until revoked or for the period of time designated on the permit. The permit shall be issued to one person or business only and for the location or purpose described in the permit. Any change that affects any of the conditions of the permit shall require a new or amended permit.

1-12.9 The authority having jurisdiction shall have the authority to grant an extension of the permit time period upon presentation by the permittee of a satisfactory reason for failure to start or complete the work or activity authorized by the permit.

1-12.10 Applications for permits shall be made to the authority having jurisdiction on forms provided by the jurisdiction and shall include the applicant's answers in full to inquiries set forth on such forms. Applications for permits shall be accompanied by such data as required by the authority having jurisdiction and fees as required by the jurisdiction.

1-12.11 The authority having jurisdiction shall review all applications submitted and issue permits as required. If an application for a permit is rejected by the authority having jurisdiction, the applicant shall be advised of the reasons for such rejection. Permits for activities requiring evidence of financial responsibility by the jurisdiction shall not be issued unless proof of required financial responsibility is furnished.

1-12.12 A copy of the permit shall be posted or otherwise readily accessible at each place of operation and shall be subject to inspection as specified by the authority having jurisdiction.

1-12.13 Any activity authorized by any permit issued under this Code shall be conducted by the permittee or the permittee's agents or employees in compliance with all requirements of this Code applicable thereto and in accordance with the approved plans and specifications. No permit issued under this Code shall be interpreted to justify a violation of any provision of this Code or any other applicable law or regulation. Any addition or alteration of approved plans or specifications shall be approved in advance by the authority having jurisdiction, as evidenced by the issuance of a new or amended permit.

1-12.14* Permits shall be issued by the authority having jurisdiction and shall bear the name and signature of the authority having jurisdiction or that of the authority having jurisdiction's designated representative. In addition, the permit shall indicate the following:

(1) Operation or activities for which the permit is issued (2) Address or location where the operation or activity is to be conducted (3) Name and address of the permittee (4) Permit number and date of issuance (5) Period of validity of the permit (6) Inspection requirements

1-12.15 Any application for, or acceptance of, any permit requested or issued pursuant to this Code shall constitute agreement and consent by the person making the application or accepting the permit to allow the authority having jurisdiction to enter the premises at any reasonable time to conduct such inspections as required by this Code.

shockie B)

Need I remind you all this crappy language replaced a simple, effective, exemption in NFPA.

Isn't TRA/NAR input helpful?

Yes, I know. I was replying to the statement that California was not going to adopt the rocketry portions of the NFPA codes and would instead be retaining their own overly-restrictive system.