For one thing, it's a lot more expensive to manufacture than most of the ususal mixtures applied to that purpose... :)
(Did you think I was going to give truck bomb recipes out loud on the internet to a pseudonymous poster?)
-dave w
Right. YOU specifically stated you did -not- bring up the fact that the manufacture was for PADs and not 'explosives'. APCP is an explosive as listed by the ATF and anyone asking if manufacturing explosives for sale as non-exempt explosives would be told they need and LEMP.
Surely this is not that difficult to comprehend. If you did not ask if a permit is require to manufacture the propellant {which is listed on the explosives list} for an exempt PAD, the answer is irrelevant to the rocketry issue.
And this would be the first you mentioned that. And as you stated, didn't ask if you would still need a permit based on the recent PAD ruling?
Joel. phx
Did you leave out any more of the story, or just that?
I'm sorry you missed my response to Woody. I don't care if one is equired. -I- am not accusing anyone of needing one to manufacture commercial, exempt PADs. What I do care about is people are accusing others that one is required when -they- haven't bothered to check the facts.
Joel. phx
Or when they know facts otherwise.
Actually Joel, right now I'm wondering why you didn't call them in the first place. I'm also wondering why you seam to get so god damn pissy every time you reply. Your reminding me of Bubbleboy from Seinfeld :)
Come on man, more pissy attitude???
Your right, I did leave something out.... the number they want you to call is 404-417-2750 Atlanta office.
toodles
Ted Novak TRA#5512
I never said I didn't call them. But there's no point in posting the response I got because it too did not address manufacture of commercial PADs. The 404 number you received doesn't look the same, but I can't seem to find my notes. I didn't press my issue since it's meaningless without a written response which you must request in writing. I believe the attorney's name was Wolf.
Joel. phx
I'm sorry you feel the need to name-call. I'll assume this concludes the discussion.
No. That was the beginning of the typical rmr flamefest.
Brought to you by the people at Ted Novak.
Just Jerry
Walking the walk with DOT exactly as promised.
The specialist said "attorney David Wolf : 202-927-4710" would best answer questions regarding commercial motors and the lawsuit.
Written requests:
8000 K Street N/W Suite 710 Washington DC 20001Joel. phx
What did they say when -you- called?
You promised to send a box of motors labeled as "model aircraft parts"?
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Just when exactly, did you make said promise?
Did you try asking your parents for the money?
Like the idea of a written response but I wonder how long and how many hoops would need to be jumped through. Particulary when said hoops are moving ;/
Come on Joel...haven't you ever had a nick name???
Hell, even my 100 year old grandma still refers to me by one of my
*many* nicknames.Ted 'tedster/rueben/waste-ted/cementhead' Novak TRA#5512
The gal pretty much agreed with me on my issue, but suggested getting a written statement which would be more 'thoroughly reviewed'. "Not all of us are experts in every area". I thought 'hmmmmm, just like the IRS (no sir, we didn't actually mean what we wrote in that letter and since it's clearly wrong, it doesn't matter anyway). The problem with asking the question in writing is they can answer it any way they please and it's a long time for turn-around, so being 'pissy' kind of nails them down. On the phone, you can just ask another question if they weaseled their way around the answer.
I'm guessing 'love muffin' isn't going to be the one used here.
Joel. phx
Cement head?
Yes, and like the IRS, the ATF not only can give false information, they also have the power to fine or arrest people based on that false information. Especially when it matches their official policy.
LOL!! What a crock. No one can "train" the ATF to change their official policies handed down from ATF headquarters. Plenty of folks have local field agents who KNOW that rocket motors are not explosives, but those agents do NOT tell people to go ahead and buy/store rocket motors without a LEUP and approved storage. They have to abide by whatever policies their bosses hand down, whether they agree with those policies or not.
You said an ATF agent would give the "correct" answer if asked about how to log motors into a magazine.
Record it. The government has no rights.
Yeah, and look what it got you. That's not something to brag about.
I must be god then.
You falsely restating how you wish I phrased things in no way reflects how I actually phrased things based on actual successful outcomes, whether or not TRA enjoys them too.
Jerry
"I see why you have a problem, Ray. You are an obsequious sycophant."
- iz
"A stray fart will cause this system to malfunction!"
- snipped-for-privacy@aol.com
Jurisdiction.
Please define "pretty much agreed with me on the issue" means. Do you think a LEMP is required or not for a commercial manufacturer of APCP?
What does that mean?
Well actually the elder Skippys are not well off at all ... not sure if Elder Skippy is living or not, but Mrs. Elder Skippy mixes propellant for Skippy jr. Quite sad actually when I saw his mother ... it looked so "sweat shoppy" to me ... I wonder if he beats her when she slows down on the mixing? Silly Rabid Roo ... Skippy.
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