[TROLLS] According to my sources

Do we need some sort of action/awareness network to get the word out, so this isn't happening in silence? Something like Gwen Smith's "Remembering Our Dead" website at

-dave w

Not one single person who has been either accused of or found guilty of a felony is willing to agree to let ANY details out.

I can't say I blame them either!

Imagine their frustration to see the crappy shit attacks and law writing from TRA and NAR continue unabated.

Rocketeers are expendable.

It has never been just about Bruce or Chuck or for that matter, myself. It has always been for me about DECRIMINALIZING rocketry. The precise and exact opposite is happening and let there be no doubt whatsoever. It is absolutely the acts and doing of NAR and TRA. 100%.

Jerry

Jerry for the record I'm in no way associated with any authority nor do I want to see ANY rocketeer get into any trouble. I may not like your style but I certainly do NOT want to see you crossways with the man. You actually do make some valid points on a regular basis.

Thank youfor that. That leaves about 5 trolls to go.

Jerry

Six counting yourself? :)

Scott Orr

Hmmm. I dated a cop's daughter in High School. Does that count? I got to ride in his car once, but he wouldn't let me run the lights / siren. Her sister was a cop too. Funny, I was in an accident once which was clearly not my fault (guy ran a red light). Within seconds of it happening here comes Sis with her lights on. She jumps out, calls me by first name and asks if I'm ok. Tells me she's on another call but she'll radio this in. You should have seen the look on the other driver's face.

I am not the mole. Although even the mole may th> >

If these types of rocketry related felony convictions are happening at the federal court level, (especially ATF investigations resulting in convictions) there are court records and in the case of the ATF, the ATF web pages openly boasts of their successful investigations and resulting convictions. DOT also has information on their web page, indicating infractions and penalties assessed and collected. I visit both web pages, although not recently, (within the last several months), and I have not read any such reports. Living as close to DC as I do, I'm always looking out for this type of information; please point me in the right direction... Note: no smiley faces/winks after any sentence..

Fred

Jerry Irv> Not one single person who has been either accused of or found guilty of

What I find odd about this recent troll of yours Jerry is the fact you are saying rocketeers have been accused of felonies and all the while you promote felonious behavior. Are people getting arrested for taking your propellant actuated advice?

steve

Bullshit person with a bullshit post to try to deflect from the real problem.

YOU are the one people should deal with with a 10 foot pole.

I don't think so. I think the tactic used is to turn over the investigation to state so the whole DA/plea bargain/extortion system can be used to its fullest.

I have not heard of a specific FEDERAL conviction. But info is necessarily incomplete.

The above is all I amwilling to do because I am part of the "machine to keep such things out of the public discourse". I have made a personal decision that is the right thing to doin light of the personal contact I have with some of these folks. It ruins their lives. Do not wish it on anyone. Decriminalize rocketry! NFPA regs criminalize rocketry in the states where the "whole DA/plea bargain/extortion system" is going full speed ahead.

Zero tolerance translates to zero "thinking" by police, prosecutors and judges. Why even have a judge?

Jerry

For the record I do not think you are a mole.

What is Jerry promoting that's "felonious"? Please cite specific statutory text in your answer.

-dave w

Dave, Where have you been the last three years? Jerry promotes buying, selling, owning, storing, using, burning and transporting Federally controlled explosives without obtaining the required BATF permits. The permits are required explicitly by the BATF Orange book in reference to APCP or otherwise known as rocket motors. They (BATF) consider APCP rocket motor grains over 62.5 grams regulated explosives. I would have thought you'd have known all this already?

steve

Backpedaling again, jerry? You claim no PAD exemptions now?

Yes, but for that to apply in a criminal matter, it would need to be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that a rocket thruster could _not_ be an exempted "propellant actuated device", and that's a finding for a court to make.

(Anything the BATF themselves say is the word of a policeman, and you know what that's worth on matters of law: they go to special police schools where they learn how to lie about such things in order to pressure people.)

To say that handling HPR motors under the "propellant actuated device" exemption would in fact be grounds for conviction of a "felony" is to assume facts not in evidence.

-dave w

Why would he be a witness?

There could not be a less accurate statement. Ever.

I guess Steve will be the witness for ATF in the NAR/TRA/ATF suit. We are doomed to have people like Steve Bloom in our midst.

Cry wolf long enough, and nobody but the wolf will listen...

-dave w