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Depends on state law there, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia and Maryland the home owner or legal resident has the right to protect their property and person with deadly force *if* the intruder is within the dwelling. New York requires the owner or resident to retreat and leave the dwelling if possible.

Shooting the intruder dead *is* a good idea, if deadly force is called for, shooting for anything but to kill is a a bad idea since if you only need to shoot to wound, deadly force was not required. Before you go quoting the common fallacy of "You're 74 times more likely to shoot a friend or relative" learn where that statistic came from, is it never quoted by antigun types correctly, nor do they understand the underlying data. That is from the Uniform Crime Report issued by the FBI and the column heading is "Acquaintance Killings".....all it means is the killer and killee knew each other, mostly in the manner of drug dealer A and drug dealer B having a turf war. Go to the raw data and discard everything (also discard deliberate homicide of a friend or relative for this purpose) but killings in the home (include exterior property as the home) and the number falls to something on the order of 1 in

New York and a few other states have "required retreat" clauses and whole slew of stupidity like give warning, etc.

Al, you and I keep forgetting that the left sees stating facts as being from the right.

"Mitch" wrote in news:c943bt$l1e$ snipped-for-privacy@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au:

I hate to wade in here but will anyway.

That it is written into the Bill of Rights is simply an acknowledgement of what the Founders knew to be a preexisting right. The right to self defense and the the right to the means of self defense predate any government and body of law and exist independently.

If someone breaks into my house they are intruding on my rights, they have motives that are unknown to me but which I can logically presume to mean evil.

Not to mention the simple stupidity of breaking into an occupied dwelling. If they want a safe working environment get a day job.

If you break into my house, your career is over.

It works for me!

Bill Shuey NRA Life Member

Remember, it's a throwback to the old days but ..... ah f*ck it, learn it for yourselves! Bodies help to make stuff grow. We old masters in Britain cannot teach you anything (colonialism, etc doesn't work), the Spanish Conquistadors went through the same thing. The North Americas have to experience several "Vietnams" before it understand that nobody wins. A large land mass led by those with the intellectual mind of "Archie Bunker and John Wayne (Jelly fish on a bad day)".

Good luck!

Richard.

I haven't read this thread in a while. how did it get from COL Morgan to gun control? Just curious.

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" In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon

Duh...That's why it not called the Bill of Privileges. Kim M

Maybe I should be thankful that I live in a country that doesn't need such a Bill...

So I assume you have a gun - loaded and ready to go. Lemme guess, in the bedside drawer or maybe the old shoebox in the closet?

Mitch

Is this a trend with model builders? Is there anyone in the US that thinks that shooting someone for tresspassing is a little over the top?

Mitch

I'd say that 'Tresspassing' and 'Breaking and Entering' are two vastly different events. Want to walk across my yard without permission (Tresspass), OK ... just please don't stomp on the vegetable garden. Want to jimmy my back door late at night and come on in? Get ready for a very unpleasant surprise (likely your last awareness in this world)

Just my take

Dean

I think they look for a situation in which you are in fear for your life. If you've been getting robbed on a frequent basis and lay in wait for the thief only to mow him down one night, you may have a problem.

Loaded? A gun that isn't loaded is nothing better than a piss poor excuse for a blackjack.

WmB

To reply, get the HECK out of there snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net

"Mitch" wrote in news:c96ml3$51q$ snipped-for-privacy@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au:

Mores the pity. Your country has been emaculated and the sheep are left to the whims of the wolves. When man is perfected and no longer presents a danger to his fellow man you may have a point. Until then I think I'll keep my gun.

In any case take this shit to talk.politics.guns where you will suitably flamed, chastised and informed of the unsuitabilty of Australians tosurvive in the modern world.

I come to this group to NOT see beaten down subjects trumpeting thier servitude.

When and where in English Common Law did burglary become a recognized and respected occupation?? It has been pointed up here that the crown actually gave an injured burglar money to finance a lawsuit against a farmer he had burgled several times and who finally caught him and plugged the bastard. His complaint in court was that as a result of the shooting incident he had post traumatic stress and could no longer practice his occupation. Talk about law gone mad!! And New York with it's requirement to retreat from your dwelling rather than injure a criminal intent on violence is just as crazy. I will not visit the state of New York under any circumstances. The fact that the laws protect the criminal is basically why New York's crime rate is where it is, not the availability of firearms.

Bill Shuey

Mitchell Baby! There is a hell of a difference between walking through my property during the day and breaking in to my house during the night. If you don't understand the difference, I may begin to wonder what your occupation is?

Bill Shuey NRA Life Member

It figures......

Now you know that's entirely too logical for the tree huggers Bill.

Not here in Arkansas. Illegal entry into a private home gives the residents therein carte blanche to use deadly force as long as the intruder is inside.

Or hopeful that your people never discover that they should have had such a Bill.....

Yep, a .38 revolver.

It's always close at hand.....

What the hell good would it do me there? Too far away and awkward to get to. Might as well not have it at all.